EagleTac D25LC2 Clicky Review - A Layman's Perspective

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EagleTac D25LC2 - Submitted for consideration for the review forum

EagleTac continues to provide new models and excellent features in their ever-expanding line of lights. Is the D25LC2 simply a re-hash of any number of existing EDC style lights, or does it hold something unique to stand out from the crowd?


EagleTac D25LC2

Meat and Potatoes

First glance at the EagleTac D25LC2 clicky brings to mind very similar lights from the likes of 4Sevens, Fenix, and more. It is quite a compact 2 cell EDC light reminiscent of much that we have already seen. The reason behind this however, is this style of torch is very appealing. People don’t all want to be carrying something tacti-cool and aggressive, but often times are looking for something far more pragmatic. The D25 fills those shoes quite well. It is a simply stated light with a purely cylindrical form factor that fits nicely into either a pocket or the included rigid nylon holster.

Decoratively, this light stays with a fairly minimalist approach. The few bands of standard knurling are enough to increase grip, but not overly aggressive by any stretch. Without scalloping or crenellations on either head or tail, the light is quite pocket friendly. It also tailstands relatively well, though the switch does protrude ever so slightly past the ring, causing a little instability. Fit and finish though are on par with the EagleTac standard. Solid, uniform anodizing, and an absence of unfinished rough edges throughout. EagleTac definitely makes a solid product, of this I am certain.


EagleTac D25LC2

Though this light is nothing unusual in size for a 2xCR123A powered torch, it has one advantage I haven’t seen yet. It is also capable of using the rechargeable Li-ion 18650 cell. Considering that aspect, it is one of the smallest such lights I have yet seen. It even possesses unique features generally reserved for much higher end lights such as the stainless steel bezel to protect against deforming the head when it gets dropped. It even has some form of titanium coating to both provide better scratch resistance and color uniformity with the remainder of the black anodized light.

Running a U2 bin Cree XM-L LED in a narrow reflector that has a very light stipple produces quite a nice, smooth, relatively floody beam. This die does manage over 500 lumens out the front on Max, providing ample light for nearly any situation. Once again I am really enjoying these larger die LEDs because they have a tendency to produce the beamshapes that I prefer. Floody light has been far more practically useful in my experience than needle thin beams, but if a tighter focus is your desire, I do believe this model is available with other options such as the XP-Gand the newly minted XT-E (hope I get to try one of those soon).


Cree XM-L

Constructive Criticism

The D25 clicky series are marketed as semi-programmable, multi-mode flashlights. Their common 2 “line” operation being activated by simply having the head tightened or loosened for either Turbo or General modes, respectively. General mode has a basic L-M-H setup with a host of blinky modes placed after the 2nd run through the cycle, and Turbo mode simply alternates between screaming full power, and nausea inducing strobe. Once again, there are no real surprises here, but simply a quality setup in a familiar package. The user interface though is where I hold some points of contention as well.

The supposed programmable aspect of the D25LC2 manifests as your choice of mode memory or not, as well as some slight control over the brightness levels in general mode. While I do believe I was able to access the differences in general mode output by following the prescribed technique, I found their actual variance to be so subtle I had a genuine difficult time seeing the differences between the lower set and the higher one. My experience though with mode memory selection was far less successful. Try as I might I have to this day not been successful in turning mode memory on. Thankfully, my preference is off anyway, but it would have been far more appealing for me to be able to report on its usefulness to those of you who enjoy it.

Shipped alongside the D25LC2 is an apparently high quality rigid nylon holster. This holster even sports a metal snap, rather than the hook and loop fasteners found in the vast majority of similar retention devices. At first I thought this was an excellent touch, since I so despise the sound of Velcro being opened, but just recently, barely 2 weeks into ownership and suddenly my snap fastener rips out of the flap where it was contained. Now what used to function as a holster closure is nothing more than a dust cover. I was hoping for higher quality than the norm here, but unfortunately I believe that hope was unfounded.


Holster snap

Conclusions

The D25LC2 is hardly a departure from the norm. it isn’t the type of light that gets people immediately wondering “Wow, what is that thing?!”, but it still ends up being one that people quietly mention “I like that one, it was really nice.” after they get done borrowing it. It’s nothing you haven’t seen before, but rather a collection of things you have seen, done better.


EagleTac D25LC2

Provided for review by the kind folks at EagleTac.
 
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disappointing work

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yeah i hope you mentioned the two things that are deal-breakers to me:

1) moonlight mode is missing on this model while the other D25 models have it

2) the clip "lands" on knurling. will shred your clothing
 
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you call this quick short post with some shared thoughts a review and even submit it for consideration for the review forum? seriously? really?

If your homework was to turn in a paper where your efforts spent and the resulting paper itself were to be graded by the high school teacher, yours would get a C- or D+ no offense. works by selfbuilt would get their notorious A, and some outstanding efforts would be graded with an A+. and in sports my handball trainer sometimes when i performed poorly asked me 'Boy is that all you got? Or wanna try again?' and so i had to ask myself the same question. well well i hope that the kind folks of Eagletac now dont regret having sent you a FREE review copy of their 60$ flashlight. what a slap in everyone's face. suggestion: change the thread title from the presumptuous "EagleTac D25LC2 Clicky Review - A Layman's Perspective" to a humble "A quick look at the new EagleTac D25LC2 Clicky" or simply "A Layman's Perspective blog update: Presentation of the new EagleTac D25LC2 Clicky" and everything's back in order and i will delete my criticism. Calling your post/comment (on CPF) a "review" is insulting imo. Otherwise carry on layman. carry on.

unworthy for the review forum :thumbsdow
( and again, no offense, nothing personal against you or your blog. you dont feel offended or dissed when the teacher returns your paper and you get to see the grade, do you? )

Wow, if you can offer up a review of your own, that would better meet your standards, then by all means go ahead.

I, for one, appreciate and enjoy AardvarkSagus' reviews, and look forward to reading each one. The beauty about a review is there is not a specific rule to each one (despite your wanting to define one) and they can be whatever the reviewer wishes it to be.
 
Re: disappointing work

Shelm,

Feel free to offer me your criticism, I am willing to accept it happily, however I stand by both my observations and my labeling it as a review. I very intentionally do not take the same tact as other excellent reviewers such as Eric (Selfbuilt). I heartily consume many of his as well as others. My reviews have always been based from the standpoint of general observations, oftentimes overlooked by other reviewers who have a different focus. I have quite a number of people who like my reviews as they are, an additional viewpoint to observe, rather than a be all, end all. Quite honestly, if you don't like it, feel free to move on. Nobody is requiring you to police the forum for viewpoints that differ from your own. I only submitted it for consideration for the review forum. I have landed a number of similar reviews there, and have had others rejected. That is up to the discretion of the moderators here, and I don't complain either way. As it stands, I have quite a number of people (readers and manufacturers/retailers) who thank me for my refreshing perspective in addition to the other reviewers. If popular opinion sways away from that, I will re-evaluate my stance and either alter my style, or walk away and thank the lot of you for the good run.

Either way, thank you for your opinion, it has been noted.
 
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yeah i hope you mentioned the two things that are deal-breakers to me:

1) moonlight mode is missing on this model while the other D25 models have it

2) the clip "lands" on knurling. will shred your clothing
Actually I didn't mention either of those, because of very specific reasons. Like I stated, the knurling isn't really that aggressive on this model, so even with the clip placement, I didn't have much problem with it. Secondly, the lack of a decent "moon" mode is simply a choice they made. It must have been deliberate or they would have worked to get it lower. The decent lumen count of the low mode when spread over the floody beam still makes for relatively low perceived brightness. It's not a true moon mode, no, but it's not horrible.
 
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Re: disappointing work

and have had others rejected.
How's that possible? Never asked yourself or wondered why that is so? No discretion from the forum user's part, you heard shelm's grade.

I didnt know reviews had rules lol
there arent lol. so i took a minute or so and wrote a review on my own of my beloved iTP A3. This (review quality) is not all i got but, on the other hand, in my case i did not receive a FREE review sample from a dealer so nobody could tell me that he/she is disappointed about my work. no payment lol, no extra efforts from my part! hopefully some find it still good:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?340163-REVIEW-iTP-A3-EOS-vs-Olight-i3
 
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Actually I didn't mention either of those, because of very specific reasons. Like I stated, the knurling isn't really that aggressive on this model, so even with the clip placement, I didn't have much problem with it. Secondly, the lack of a decent "moon" mode is simply a choice they made. It must have been deliberate or they would have worked to get it lower. The decent lumen count of the low mode when spread over the floody beam still makes for relatively low perceived brightness. It's not a true moon mode, no, but it's not horrible.


unlikely to have been deliberate since the others in the series have it. it's only this 18650 model that lacks moonlight. probably due to cost or complexity constraints...

anyway i know you don't do runtime graphs and such, but since you're supposed to be doing "layman's" reviews these are the kinds of things that should be pointed out in your reviews, IMHO. the "layman" probably won't be interested in a voltage sweep graph, but he probably would like to know if a flashlight wouldn't go low enough to not wake up his wife at night...

btw i don't wanna come off as rude, ahem ahem LOL. pls just take this as constructive criticism :)
 
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Nice review i dont understand alot of the techy stuff anyway.
It does seem like this light and somany others ,you mentioned a few,are just so similar.
its the smallest things that seperate them and i wonder if how the clip lands on a lights flat spot,khurling or
head portion that twists through the modes, are something that was intended by the designer or they just inded up that way.
 
Thanks for the review!

This UI is my preference also compared to mode memory.
I know a lot of people like the UI with mode memory on Fenix PD32 (LD12, LD22) better than the older Fenix lights that are more like this EagleTac light.

I never remember what mode I had last time but I know what mode I want, so this is better for me.
It's a reverse clicky, right? That's what I prefer with this UI.
 
Re: disappointing review quality

yeah i hope you mentioned the two things that are deal-breakers to me:

1) moonlight mode is missing on this model while the other D25 models have it

2) the clip "lands" on knurling. will shred your clothing

Not sure if you are aware of this, but the D25LC2 has moonlight mode.
Loosen head > turn on > tighten, loosen 3 times. It lowers the output for the whole mode.

Or did you need even lower than that?
 
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Not sure if you are aware of this, but the D25LC2 has moonlight mode.
Loosen head > turn on > tighten, loosen 3 times. It lowers the output for the whole mode.

Or did you need even lower than that?

I was able to get my sample to go lower but it wasn't exactly easy to discern. The day I received it I kept going back and forth and then with the assistance of two extra sets of eyes it was determined that there is a lower level.
Many people here refer to moonlight as being sub one lumen, a level that allows you to look into the emitter without any discomfort to the eye, yet allows for navigation with dark adapted vision.
There's no way I can look into mine comfortably on it's lowest setting. It's not a huge issue for me, it's still a great light!
 
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Yeah, I know what you mean. Going Gear has a Quark Tactical with a moonlight of .2 lumens. Now that would be ideal for keeping your night vision.
 
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On my sample, the lowest mode is easy to notice. It is however slightly brighter than the low (not moonlight) level on my Quark X 123-2. But for me, this is not a big deal as it wouldn't be my "moonlight" light (I have a Quark Tactical X-A for that). I like having the awesome turbo/strobe on tight and low-med-high (near turbo) loosened without having to cycle thru the blinky modes (e.g., Quarks). Since I'll be using this on my night walks (where moonlight is uneeded), I cobbled together a long tactical-style protruding boot that enables me to easily cycle the tailcap with my thumb. It will no longer tailstand, but I have other lights for that purpose. No longer need to wish my Quarks could take a 18650!
 
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No moonlight mode? How low is the lowest mode then? Every time I think I have found the perfect light for me something ends up missing in the light function. Does it at least have a beacon mode?



yeah i hope you mentioned the two things that are deal-breakers to me:

1) moonlight mode is missing on this model while the other D25 models have it

2) the clip "lands" on knurling. will shred your clothing
 
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