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2 nights ago I cam across a "suspicious" vehicle in one of the parking lots I patrol. A suspicious vehicle is one that doesn't belong there and is occupied.

Anyway the occupant of the vehicle had a real hard time understanding my commands that night and began to approach me. I had my patrol cars "take downs and spot" on him but he still wouldn't really obey me.

I pulled my M90 flashlight and shined it in his face and ordered him back to his vehicle and to put his hands on the dash, he obeyed reluctantly, Of course I had my sidearm out and ready but he couldn't see that.
I honestly think that the bright light directly in his eyes caused theis rocket scientist to obey my commands. If he continued to approach me he would probably be room temperature at this point.
 
Great story, reminds me of something Ken Good posted in Strategos. I'll try to find it.

Brightnorm
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Found it:


Ken J. Good
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2002 12:14 pm Post subject:

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I work for SureFire so there is an inherent perceived bias (and there probably is!) and I endeavor to always keep that in mind.

That being said, I had dinner here at the Shot Show 2002 with one of the SureFire Institute’s adjunct instructors, Bill Murphy.

The following quoted by permission.

Bill has years of experience with Huntington Beach PD in patrol and SWAT operations.
He has been a Gunsite instructor for quite sometime, has his own quite successful firearms training business and has multiple shootings under his belt. Bill studies several martial arts and is well respected in the Southern California region.

Last year we gave Bill a 10X dominator for field-testing. It is our 2-stage, 60-500 lumen duty flashlight. He used to carry an SL-20.

He told me that for years he had an average of 15-20 reportable uses of force annually.
Bill is proactive to say the least. He is mild mannered, friendly, but will be there for fellow officers in a heartbeat.

Anyway, I was absolutely surprised when he told me that last year he had ZERO reportable uses of force…ZERO.

He said he had been in just as many similar situations, but EVERYTIME he illuminated with the higher output light, the situation moved in the lower use of force direction.
He absolutely attributed this zero number to the proper use of the 10X.

He stated the he has used his SL-20 many times as a defensive impact weapon, and was wondering how the 10X would fare in the same capacity. He said never perceived a situation that would justify using the 10X in that role, so he could not provide data.

Now there are many contributing factors to any given situation and use of force, but this is notable in my opinion.

I am going to give 10, 10X’s to him to distribute to his more active officers. In return, I am asking them to give me a month-by-month report of use of force activity. It will be easy to corrolate data and compare in to previous years.

Any other takers on this test and evaluation study, email me. Police officers only. I can only extend this offer to a limited number of officers.

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Ken J. Good
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I believe you're referring to the wall of light that Ken Good describes as a position of advantage.

I have frequently come into contact with some of the most violent parolees in downtown L.A. Skid Row, and I have often found that even during daylight conditions, given a bright enough light and shined directly in the face of an aggressive-combative individual, 9 times out of 10 contacts will result in submission and/or allow enough time to re-evaluate your position in relation to the subject and their hostile intent. This has been and is being studied as part of an ongoing less-than-lethal option for several departments nationwide. (Sound waves is the other element currently being tested by military standards for crowd control)

Huntington Beach PD Ofcr B. Murphy described how his 10X Dominator was effective in controlling "passive resisters" prior to their escalation to a violent or aggressive-combative stance. If used appropriately, I have found through experience that it can be nearly as effective on the higher scale of combative suspects.

-Jim

Edit: Oh darn it... I just saw Brightnorm's updated post... Ken Good has a good way of describing it better than I could. Great post Brightnorm.
 
Hey Brightnorm-

I hadn't seen that article from Ken Good before, but like many of his other written articles, I find it to be very educational no matter how often I read them. I particularly like how he describes the effective use of light in a fluid situation demanding a quick reaction based upon the disorientation effect of white light (given the added conditions of a nighttime or darkened environment).

Up until the late 90's, I had often relied upon a Mag Charger, similar to the light output of a Streamlight SL20X, and ultimately equipped myself with a SL UltraStinger with a three-cell SF Z3 for backup.

For almost eight years straight, I worked a mid-watch assignment, 6pm to 3am, so I was often equipped with a pair of flashlights. During that time, I relied almost exclusively on the Mag Charger for my lighting needs when it came to any potential confrontation. Its weight and size constantly reminded me that it could potentially serve as an impact device if the need surfaced. It only happened once many, many years ago, and that was the only time during a last ditch effort in what I could only describe as a fight for me and my partner's life. But beyond its physical adjunct properties, I remained faithful to using only the Mag Charger for the majority of my various encounters. I made use of the SL UltraStinger for only a year before going into a different and less visible assignment, and even then, given the short time the UltraStinger was in use -- it was effective in de-escalating numerous confrontations in a solid majority of times (I'm no statistician, but if memory serves correct, it was close to a 90% rate of success).

I'm sure that Ken Good has hit upon this before, I am at a loss as to citing him correctly if he did, but in my own professional opinion, training, and experience, it is in large part the degree of skill in tactics that are employed before, during, and after the use of bright, white light during any confrontation that makes for a successful engagement. Although Mr. Good does go into what I just mentioned with specific regards to dynamic, fluid movement, I do not remember particularly what it is referred to other than his excellent description. SWAT has a term for it... I'm just drawing a blank here...

Speaking of Strategos Forums... I signed up for that forum last week and spent most of my time just reading the posts -- there were plenty of areas that made for good reading, but it doesn't seem to be all that active nowadays. I find my experiences to be in line with many other observers who have had a very similar experience... I don't know if that would be much of a contribution, but if anything, it does help to reaffirm some areas of tactics that go without question, but should be questioned, if that makes any sense. I'm in a business that constantly reassesses itself in terms of performance, success, and failures. I'll take another look over there once again since I do see quite a few of the regulars here, over there.

My apologies... didn't mean to get too long -- Brightnorm, thanks for posting the "Wall of Light" article by KG.

-Jim
 

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