Help with 2 way radio's

[Lumenous]

Re: Help with 2 way radio\'s

Do GMRS radios and their European PMR equivalent use the same frequencies?

 

[JohnJ80]

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GMRS radio license is $75 - I have one. Good for 5 years.

You should get one.

You should also be very careful about using them in a foreign country. Many countries don't allow them and in these days of terrorist hunting, you could have a whole lot of explaining to do - so a pissed off security guy whose English is not all that good.

J

 

[Lumenous]

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Sounds like Mic's already made his mind up on this. I've got a ham license and with 5-7watts of output on a handheld I'm happy. I spent about 2 hours taking sample tests online and paid close to $10 in processing fees to get the license.
With ham radio there's also the added benefit of a repeater network across CONUS and in Europe too. I've taken my radios overseas and used them all legally across Europe with a U.S. license.

 

[Mic]

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Hi Lumenous
From what i can find it looks like the answer is no,

alot of people still use them over here in the U.K with no problem

U.S.A & Canada Channels -------------

Range FRS 2 Miles / Range GMRS 5 Miles

Power out put FRS 500mw / GMRS 1 - 2 or 3 watts ->

1 FRS/GMRS 462.5625
2 FRS/GMRS 462.5875 MHz
3 FRS/GMRS 462.6125 MHz
4 FRS/GMRS 462.6375 MHz
5 FRS/GMRS 462.6625 MHz
6 FRS/GMRS 462.6875 MHz
7 FRS/GMRS 467.7125 MHz
8 FRS 467.5625 MHz
9 FRS 467.5875 MHz
10 FRS 467.6125 MHz
11 FRS 467.6375 MHz
12 FRS 467.6625 MHz
13 FRS 467.6875 MHz
14 FRS 467.7125 MHz
15 GMRS 462.5500 MHz
16 GMRS 462.5750 MHz
17 GMRS 462.6000 MHz
18 GMRS 462.6250 MHz
19 GMRS 462.6500 MHz
20 GMRS 462.6750 MHz
21 GMRS 462.7000 MHz
22 GMRS 462.7250 MHz


U.K Channels & European ------------- Range - 2 Miles

Power out put 500mw I think ?

1 446.00625 MHz
2 446.01875 MHz
3 446.03125 MHz
4 446.04375 MHz
5 446.05625 MHz
6 446.06875 MHz
7 446.08125 MHz
8 446.09375 MHz
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National implementation of ERC/DEC/(98)25, 26 and 27 on PMR 446





The following overview was compiled on the basis of the information contained in the ERO Implementation Database for ERC/DEC/(98)25, 26 and 27. It was last updated on 30 June 2004 with the latest information received from administrations.

Country PMR 446 introduced? Deviations from ERC Decisions and other comments
Austria
Yes
No deviations

Belgium
Yes
No deviations

Bulgaria
Yes
No deviations

Croatia
Yes
Importing approval procedure to check that R&TTE Directive essential requirements are fulfilled and marking is correct.

Cyprus
Yes
Implemented 30 April 2004. No further authorisation required for conformant transmitters/stations.

Czech Republic
Yes
No deviations

Denmark
Yes
No deviations

Estonia
Yes
No deviations

Finland
Yes
No deviations. More features than mentioned in these Decisions allowed

France
Yes
No deviations

Germany
Yes
Probably no deviations

Greece
Yes
No deviations

Hungary
Yes
No deviations

Iceland
Yes
No deviations

Ireland
Yes
No deviations

Italy
Yes
ERC/DEC(98)25 implemented. Risk of interference from Fixed links until 31 December 2004. The use of the frequencies for fixed links will cease on 31.12.2004

Latvia
Yes

Liechtenstein
Yes
No deviations

Lithuania
Yes
No deviations

Luxembourg
Yes

The Netherlands
Yes
No deviations

Monaco
No
Frequencies used by other, individually licensed networks

Norway
Yes
The use of the frequencies for fixed links will cease 1.1.2005. Risk of interference from fixed links until 1.1.2005.

Poland
Yes
National type approval, individual licensing

Portugal
Yes
No deviations

Romania
Partly
Two lowest and the highest channels not available. Individual licence, only for business use. National marking and type approval.

Russian Federation
Under study

Slovenia
Yes
No deviations

Spain
Yes
No deviations

Sweden
Yes
Licence exemption for equipment according to the relevant standards according to the requirements of the R&TTE directive

Another similar use on 6 channels above 444 MHz on 25 kHz channel spacing is already licence exempt.

Switzerland
Yes
No deviations.

Turkey
Yes
Individual licence required (but licence exemption is being considered). Test reports recognised.

United Kingdom

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i think i got it right but best to check /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif

 

[Mic]

Re: Help with 2 way radio\'s

already ordered some moto's just to test things out over here /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
But I'm seriously looking at a Ham license /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif just shows you how things take off
i'll sell them on & get some nice kenwood after i get my Ham license /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif

 

[JohnJ80]

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I recall seeing a list somewhere. I think a lot of Asian countries do not have such a freq band set aside.

EU stuff is probably pretty consistent as the list above seems to indicate.

J

 

[Unicorn]

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I thought that GMRS was free, my mistake. And since we are the ones training the local security forces, I'm not worried about them trying to fine me too much.

 

[JohnJ80]

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It is not the LEO's that would fine you, it would be the FCC. Granted the probability of getitng fined is small but you really should have a license especially if you are using them for commercial purposes (i.e. training).

J

 

[Unicorn]

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Um dude, look at my location.

We first bought these to use as squad radios when we thought we'd be doing some real missions in Iraq. Mostly now they just sit in our lockers. We were going to use them on some of our reaction teams, but some vehicle radios were found so that helped to alleviate the radio chortage we had.

 

[JohnJ80]

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LOL! You have bigger problems that the FCC.

J

 

[Unicorn]

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Yeah, I'm not too worried about the FCC. I'm more worried about losing my head (literally , but thankfully the odds are that I'll get hit by lightning) than the FCC. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[ftumch33]

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what happens if you operate without a gmrs license for private use?

 

[Bravo25]

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[ QUOTE ]
ftumch33 said:
what happens if you operate without a gmrs license for private use?

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If you keep it simple, don't use foul language, or start a poop storm, probably nothing. This however DOES NOT make it right, and I am not advocating use without a license. Keep in mind that the FCC has some new equipment now that can pinpoint your transmission, and reception fairly quickly, and accurately. Of a greater concern to them however are illegal radio stations being setup for specific programing.

 

[Joe Talmadge]

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Folks, I'm going to Mexico soon. Is there a way to find out if either FRS or GMRS radios are legal for me to use there?

 

[Joe Talmadge]

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Folks, I'm going to Mexico soon. Is there a convenient way to find out if either FRS or GMRS radios are legal for me to use there? A site for radio buffs that summarizes laws and is relatively up to date? thanks in advance

Joe

 

[Lenny7]

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[ QUOTE ]
paulr said:
GMRS licenses cost $75 last time I looked.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're right, it's $75 for a license, the license is good for 5 years, and it covers your entire immediately family.

In my experience though, the 2 watt GMRS are no better than the 1/2 watt FRS. All were bubble packs though, not high quality GMRS radios.

I've got a bunch of different models here...Cobra, Motorola, Audiovox, Bell South....My favorite are the old Motorola and the Cobra. I find the scan feature to be a nice thing to have. Put it in your car and see what shows up. Lots of interesting conversations.

I have a couple of FRS radios that were only $5 after rebate. Sometime when I get time I'm going to pop them open, remove the stock antenna and solder on a BNC connector and see what I can do with a better antenna.

 

[KC2IXE]

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[ QUOTE ]
Lenny7 said:
...snip... Sometime when I get time I'm going to pop them open, remove the stock antenna and solder on a BNC connector and see what I can do with a better antenna.

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Lenny,
FRS radios are ONLY legal when used with the "stock" antenna - which is why you will NOT find one made with a removeable antenna - the FRS spec talks about ERP - Effective Radiated Power - a gain antenna (or should I say one with LESS loss) puts the units over the ERP limit

(Now the question - do I change my user name to match my new call sign - KG2V?)

 

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