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If we would have nuked them the first time...who knows. Could have been less people killed than in 2 wars, and could have been certain of taking Saddam out.

Half of me agrees with you DrAgOn, and the other half does not. If only there was a "smart" bomb.
 
I don't think we have "tactical" nukes anymore. At some point, maybe 30+ years ago we did. Each branch of the military had their own nukes. But it was realized after some very close calls that under those circumstances that the generals in charge might decide to actually use them! I'm not sure, but I think the closest thing we have to a tactical nuke is a feasibility study for that huge nuclear bunker buster bomb. But right now thats only on paper, and that doesn't mean that they have any real plans to build the thing and I hope they don't.

Only 2 nukes have ever been used in actual warfare. I think the point of the current campaign will be to avoid civilian casualties, not to completely wipe them out.

So as much as some might like to see the place sterilized in biblical fire, I don't think thats likely to happen...
 
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DrAg0n said:
just nuke them...

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think about the size of the glass lens we'd create by nukeing all that SAND...
then think about the flashlight we could make with that lens !!

How's that for a CPF tie in ?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Our troops have NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, RIGHT!

They are NOT in HARM'S WAY. After all, the UN Weapons inspectors foun NO WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTION, right!

It will be interesting (and very sad if troops die) how the media will report Sadam's "SUDDEND FIND" of weapons of mass destruction.

God Bless the Troops and Innocent people that get in harms way.
 
We support President Bush and our troops. I hope this is a complete success and a short war. May God have mercy on us all.

Peter Gransee
 
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leddite said:
i was told that bush even had the nerve to say something like "don't you dare burn the oil fields either".

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news outlets are reporting that Saddam has all ready started cutting huge trenches in and around Baghdad and filling them with oil. Once the US and allies head in..these trenches will be set afire producing huge columns of black smoke impervious to satellite, laser and human sight. This aint gonna be no 100 hour war like Desert Shield/Storm...

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Well one thing's for sure, and whether for or against the war I think all viewpoints around the world would have to agree that he sure has had enough time to plan & implement just about anything he might have wanted to. (Damnit /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif)

I'm hoping for the safety of our citizens, esp. those amazing people heading for harm's way. All of the citizens. It also translates to the safety & security of people around the world, and most immediately that's due to some very brave US citizens and a few other countries' military folks. Yeah, that'll sound conceited to some noncitizens, annoying and debatable to those who want to argue that somehow we're oppressing people, but I don't mean it as a flamestarter at all. It's the state of things at the moment.
 
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Our prayers are with the troops.

My wife and I are supprised at the French. After hearing all of their comments, my wife and I looked at each other and wondered if there is something that the French want to hide?

Tom
 
Just remember this...

It has been said more than once that in 2 days the same sort of wrath will fall as in the whole air war in 1991....

And the MOAB (Bigger than even the 15K Daisy Cutter) is a guided weapon....

They are going to be softened up a might before the troops go in I should think!

I like most Americans WISH it didn't have to come to that. But only one man could stop it. And it ain't PRESIDENT Bush.

I pray for swift victory!
 
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My wife and I are supprised at the French. After hearing all of their comments, my wife and I looked at each other and wondered if there is something that the French want to hide?

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The 9 billion dollar weapons bill that Iraq still hasn't paid to France maybe?
This was on the news yesterday.
Looks like the French can kiss that money goodbye now.
 
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SilverFox said:
My wife and I are supprised at the French. After hearing all of their comments, my wife and I looked at each other and wondered if there is something that the French want to hide?
Tom

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A French company has exclusive rights to develop two new oil fields in Iraq with a value of ~$30 billion. Add to that the sanction-defying sales of chemicals and equipment Chirac made to his old friend Saddam. No way he wants a war.
 
Bill- According to the sources that I have read, that is a US$130 billion valuation deal, for which france has actually paid US$52 Billion. Quite a sweetheart deal, saddam gets to pocket 52 "big ones" and france gets 78 billion in profits. The deal was made based on the close personal relationship between Chiraq and saddamn.

That is a big part of why france has stalled and opposed things from the begining.

But I think the biggest reason for france's (and germany's) position is because they have been continuously supplying iraq with weapons and the facilities to make more, (including "WMD") since the embargo began 13 years ago.... and when we go in, we will find proof of it.

They gambled, they lost. That'll teach them to play poker with "Cowboy Bush" .

Had they gone along with US, they probably could have kept their oil investment safe, maybe gotten a slap on the wrist for the weapons deals.

Now, if there is any justice in the world, they will lose their investment AND lose all credibility as nations for years.
 
I haven't felt comfortable with the detailed spelling out of our plans, strategy, tactics and weapons that have appeared on radio and TV and in print meadia.

Brightnorm
 
My guess is that they're only spelling out what they want them to know. It's a "strategic spelling out" if you will. Most of the intel and strategy is unknown to all but the highest ranking personnel, and it's in a dynamic state.

Steve
 
Don't worry about it at all, brightnorm; Stingray is correct. Not too long ago I saw on the History Channel an interview with one of the multi-starred officers (forgot his name) from Gulf War I. I'll try to quote what he said "Saddam is watching CNN, and we KNOW he's watching CNN" (or something very close to that).
I was a bit surprised that they publicly announced the existence of the E-bomb, but I was not at all surprised they announced the MOAB - great intimidation factor there.
 
The "E-bomb" will be no big surprise. They used at least one and I think three EMP devices over some AAA battery(s) or radar sites back in '91.

I haven't a guess how much better the new ones will be though.
 
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We support President Bush and our troops. I hope this is a complete success and a short war. May God have mercy on us all.

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Amen
Just heard the French have said--now--that if Sadam uses WMD they will support the war (on our side /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )
 
I may start a flame (I hope not) but Daschle is ridiculous and it makes me sick. Here I go!

Is "Daschle" a French name or just a 4 letter word? If I thought he was speaking from the heart and not just from the left I wouldn't have a problem with his words. If you look at his record on Iraq it shows he's about as principled as a crack addict. Daschle will say anything and support anything left of center regardless of the issue even if it's negative to the welfare of this country and our troops. I think I understand the basics of playing politics and both Republicans and Democrats are masters at "spin" but Daschle and a few others take it to a sick new level. In 96 the esteemed Mr. Daschle was all about stopping Iraq from rebuilding its WMD, he said we must act now. He said the same thing in 98 and used very strong language. He never asked for diplomacy, never asked for another UN resolution, Mr. Dashle was a real "hawk" under Clinton. Which is it Mr. Daschle, Saddam must be stopped immediately, there is no time to waste, I am not interested in going to the U.N. (1994-1999) or diplomacy is the answer, we need the U.N. and the President has not made the case that Saddam has WMD (2000-2003). Mr. Daschle, lives are at stake, you have NO creditability on the issue, stop playing politics with it, this is too important. Flip-flop on something else not quite so dangerous, your country needs you.
 
i agree 100%, Dave!

i dislike very few people...but Daschle has made it to my short list. he obviously HATES Bush, and is a liar and hypocrite as well.

i listened to a radio interview recently, and the interviewer allowed Daschle to get away with some blatant crap. i would have called him on his lies and spin.

he appears bent on destroying Bush using any means possible, and opposes EVERYTHING Bush does--even things that most democrats believe in.

Bob
 
Isn't a daschle one of those things that looks like a toilet, but that really sprays water up, that they have in France for the ladies?
 
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