I need to replace sf e2d

[matt_j]

I had sf e2d for about 2 years or so and it was perfect for a medic. Powerful for sweeps and scene size up, strong and the lower power was awesome for pupils exam. I've lost it while working up a triple shooting few days back and want to replace it (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...-over-flashlight-patent&p=3649471#post3649471). I know that mine was the older model with I think 120 lumens of power on the strong setting. So what's out there now? I'm temporary using a Fenix f10 (??) which doesn't have much of the low output and tail switch sticks out so I turn it on accidentally when squeezing thru tight quarters or sitting down. My reqs for new light are:

- dual output (as long as it's over 120 lumens I'm good but on the low side it has to be no more than 15)
- secure tail switch (not fenix)
- weather proof
- duarbility (i've smashed few things with that light and put few things in control and used it as a door wedge, pry bar, finger splint, tq stick)
- ease of power changes (e2d was perfect, gladius for example sucked)
- around $100 ish (I'm know there is knew e2d with 200 lumens but it runs about $180)

If I can't find anything new and good than will probably go hunting for old version of my e2d. How ironic is that I've s\lost my flashlight on the scene of the murder for flashlight patent?

 

[pjandyho]

Maybe to help us answer your question, you might want to tell us some points on your likes and preferences so that we may come up with something that may suit you better?

How do you usually carry your E2DL? Holster carry or clipped to your pocket? There are some lights that are a little fat for comfortable pocket carry so if you are a holster kind of guy then you should not have a problem.

Do you think the aggressive crenellations on your E2DL is important?

What is the expected budget that you are willing to spend?

Is a slightly more floody light good for you or do you really just prefer the more narrow beam profile of the E2DL?

 

[Solscud007]

You can get a E2D for rather inexpensive.

Here is one in LI for $80 with surefire pouch.
http://longisland.craigslist.org/spo/2383260383.html

Then get a veleno dropin for a led upgrade.

http://www.velenodesigns.com/html/surefire_e_series_led_drop-in.html

You can contact him and have him customize the output for you.

 

[matt_j]

I carry my light in the pouch on duty belt. Size wise I would like to stay the same as e2d or smaller. I like the beam shape that sf had although never gave a flood been much thinking. The aggressive look of bazel is not that important to me but I want something that can take a beating. I understand that just because strike bezel is present it doesn't make it a stronger light but maybe lamp assembly is cushioned better for shock. I did some pretty crazy things with e2d. I would like to stay around $100 and as much as I love modded lights I prefer off shelf solutions due to price and warranty. One thing that is important is the ease of power switch use and prevention from accidental powering. I knew always that when I took my light one click meant strong beam and two clicks were weak beam for diagnostic purposes. No twisting, no holding just simple mechanical set up. Also I want light to stay off when I want to. I hate dead batteries because my *** turned the light on by accident.

 

[CarpentryHero]

For simplicty something like the Jetbeam BA20 might be more to your liking.
The the UserInterface is a little more complex, maybe a Quark Cr123x2 or a FenixPD30 or if you prefer AA batteries the LD20 by fenix. Twist of the bezel for low mode and to access the others.
Eagletac also has some great options, I have the P20c2 and love it (it survives my toolbelt)

 

[Solscud007]

Wait your E2D had two modes? are you sure about that? If so then it has to be a E2DL and not an incan E2D.

You are gonna have to just break down and buy a E2DL if you want the two levels of light and no complicated trickery.

I really think you should open up to aftermarket examples. Malkoffs are so well built, it is like a tank. Veleno isnt a slouch either. I have both. Even my Kerberos triple, which is made in Japan, is more solid than any dropin that surefire has made. Albeit im comparing it to the P60L but still, it is SOLID.

There isnt much in your price range that is Surefire. You could go with the new G2X pro or 6PX Pro for the dual stage but the problem is that they are programmed for low first, then high.

You could go with a E1B backup. They click on high then low.

 

[matt_j]

Wait a minute my sf was special? I thought all of them did the same thing. I pressed the click switch once and it was on high. If I pressed it quick twice it was on low. It was the 100/5 version. I thought it was just regular e2d...

 

[CarpentryHero]

The 2 mode simply means you had an LED E2D and not an incandescent (60 lumen) singlemode

 

[matt_j]

So any e2d led would do the dual output while clicking right?

 

[tomp]

I know this one isn't bright enough for you but would make a good backup light or primary diagnostic light: http://www.streamlight.com/product/product.aspx?pid=226

I run energizer AA lithiums in mine and honestly it's hard to tell the difference in output between this one rated at 50 lumens on high and the streamlight protac 1L with CR123 battery rated at 110 lumens.

I carry the E2DL as my primary and either of the Streamlight protac lights as my backup.

 

[CarpentryHero]

So any e2d led would do the dual output while clicking right?

Yeah I believe so, by the looks of the surefire website.
I only own the surefire E2e, G2, G2xPro, and 6pDefender.

Speaking of which the G2x or 6px Pro are two mode but are low than high. 15 lumens and 200 lumens.

 

[Solscud007]

So any e2d led would do the dual output while clicking right?

Yep they all do that. Only really early versions were single stage.

 

[Vinniec5]

brightguy.com is selling the SF Stratum for $99 nice light 160 surefire lumens 3 mode i think

 

[pjandyho]

As stated the E2D that you have described is the LED version and is always referred to as E2DL and not E2D. It is 120/5 lumen instead of 100/5 lumen. That is why it confuses everyone. Notice my first post above where I refer to it as the E2DL?

That said, there isn't much light that could rival the E2DL. Maybe rival is not the word, perhaps I would say match up to what you are used to in the E2DL?

Would you consider a light that changes output by rotating the head instead of doing the click on/off sequence that the E2DL provides? Example would be tighten for full output and loosen for low output? I find this mode switching useful for combat operators as the output remains consistent no matter how many times one click on the switch. Problem is some of these lights may not be as strong in physical construction as the E2DL. The Quark 123 Turbo is one of them. I got myself the S3 Titanium version and it has been quite nice a light. The titanium version is definitely stronger in construction and the beam throw as well as the E2DL with a bit more spill light which is good for combat as well as general usage. But do note that there is a very slight donut hole in the beam's hot spot. In actual use it is not noticeable unless on shines it on a white wall.

You said you are a medic. Would you consider a light that uses a high CRI (Color Rendering Index) LED? Most high CRI LEDs are usually warmer in color like incandescent but not always so. The benefits of high CRI LED is that it produces more accurate colors so you could see colors like blood and skin conditions more accurately. There isn't much high CRI LED lights in the market and they are usually lower in output. I just bought a Malkoff MD2 host with a Malkoff M61 high CRI LED drop-in module and it is wonderful. The Malkoff MD2 is made for single stage operation and if you need dual output you would need to acquire the Hi/Lo switch ring for it. When the switch ring is installed in the head, all you need do is tighten the head for high and loosen for low. Malkoff products are made in USA and they are definitely of very high quality. If cool white beam is what you wanted, you could always order the turn-key package where everything is fully assembled and ready to go. It would cost you more than your $100 budget but you will love it.

There are many more good lights other than the E2DL, like Elzetta which is super tough and uses Malkoff's drop-in as well, but I can't think of one yet within your $100 budget. If it comes to mind I will let you know.

 

[bondr006]

Here is a brand new condition 200 high/5 low E2DL over in CPF Market Place for $155.00 shipped. Thats a great deal since they go for $189.00 brand new.

PS....He may be willing to deal. It's been for sale for a couple of weeks now. :thumbsup:

 

[matt_j]

As stated the E2D that you have described is the LED version and is always referred to as E2DL and not E2D. It is 120/5 lumen instead of 100/5 lumen. That is why it confuses everyone. Notice my first post above where I refer to it as the E2DL?

That said, there isn't much light that could rival the E2DL. Maybe rival is not the word, perhaps I would say match up to what you are used to in the E2DL?

Would you consider a light that changes output by rotating the head instead of doing the click on/off sequence that the E2DL provides? Example would be tighten for full output and loosen for low output? I find this mode switching useful for combat operators as the output remains consistent no matter how many times one click on the switch. Problem is some of these lights may not be as strong in physical construction as the E2DL. The Quark 123 Turbo is one of them. I got myself the S3 Titanium version and it has been quite nice a light. The titanium version is definitely stronger in construction and the beam throw as well as the E2DL with a bit more spill light which is good for combat as well as general usage. But do note that there is a very slight donut hole in the beam's hot spot. In actual use it is not noticeable unless on shines it on a white wall.

You said you are a medic. Would you consider a light that uses a high CRI (Color Rendering Index) LED? Most high CRI LEDs are usually warmer in color like incandescent but not always so. The benefits of high CRI LED is that it produces more accurate colors so you could see colors like blood and skin conditions more accurately. There isn't much high CRI LED lights in the market and they are usually lower in output. I just bought a Malkoff MD2 host with a Malkoff M61 high CRI LED drop-in module and it is wonderful. The Malkoff MD2 is made for single stage operation and if you need dual output you would need to acquire the Hi/Lo switch ring for it. When the switch ring is installed in the head, all you need do is tighten the head for high and loosen for low. Malkoff products are made in USA and they are definitely of very high quality. If cool white beam is what you wanted, you could always order the turn-key package where everything is fully assembled and ready to go. It would cost you more than your $100 budget but you will love it.

There are many more good lights other than the E2DL, like Elzetta which is super tough and uses Malkoff's drop-in as well, but I can't think of one yet within your $100 budget. If it comes to mind I will let you know.

Sorry about the light confusion but I haven't really pay attention to specs as long as it did the job and worked and when writing I was trying to recall from memory what it was. I used Gladius in the past and hated that entire cap holding nonsense to change the light output. I than bought Fenix f10 and that bazel twist wasn't my cup of tea either plus the low setting on that light was too powerful and it would turn itself on all the time. E2d wasn't a perfect light either but got used to it.

I've never heard of Malkoff work but than again I've been out of the flashlight game for a while except when reps come to the stations and talk up new products or when I loose something and need to replace it. As far as the light tint goes I really don't care. General rule is that if you are hurt in the place where there is no light (heh) you are being take out to the back of my truck where it's safe and bright. Little warm tint is not going to affect my judgment if you are bleeding to death or if you are blue because you can't breathe.

In the end fancy specs are nice but it has to work.

 

[matt_j]

Here is a brand new condition 200 high/5 low E2DL over in CPF Market Place for $155.00 shipped. Thats a great deal since they go for $189.00 brand new.

PS....He may be willing to deal. It's been for sale for a couple of weeks now. :thumbsup:

Yeah I posted in the WTB section yesterday and one of the members already PMed me about his brand new e2dl. The price he quoted me is attractive and I will probably get it. BH sell brand new e2dls for $160. But thanks for the heads up...

 

[Coolhand68]

You might want to check out the Surefire 6PX Pro...two modes, first click is low - 15 lumens, second click is high - 200 lumens. Average price is around $100 new.

 

[pjandyho]

Then I am sure you are better off with a 200/5 lumen E2DL. It is a very nice light except I don't really fancy the pocket shredding crenellations, and since you are holster carrying it I don't see a problem with it. For ease of use like click to on/off and change modes, as well as the rather powerful 200 lumen output that throws quite well, it is hard to beat.