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I've got an old-style, push-on beamcover (new style is FM37) for my Z3 that fits the LH well, so I've been tempted to buy an FM35 red filter for it. My beamcover is ever so slightly loose, but that's due to use. I expect the FM35's cam to seal on nice and tight. It's a little overbuilt for my tastes, but I haven't seen any of the old style red filters anywhere.

Has anyone tried using a filter on their LionHeart?
 
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Blue filters work OK with white LEDs since the spectrum features a great deal of blue.

Red filters are interesting since they reveal the glaring red deficiencies in white LEDs. Expect maybe 15% apparent brightness with a red filter.

Amber filters might do slightly better than red.
 
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Yikes! I knew there was a drop, but I didn't know it was by that much. I'll take your word for it and save my money!
 
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I accidentally found that the filters that came with one of the cheap LED lights I got at Wall-mart one day fit the LH almost perfectly! It was a little black 1W from Garrity that came with a belt pouch for the light and the filters, 1 red and 1 blue. These just snap onto the bezel of the Garrity light, which is about .5mm smaller diameter then the LH. While you definately lose some of the output, it's definately not 85%! I'd say I still get maybe 50% with the red and 70% with the blue filters. That's giving me LH photo ideas... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Chris
 
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[shrugs]
Toss it on a lightmeter and you'll be sure since the human eye isn't all that great of a luxmeter.
 
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What idle said... all we know for sure is that a red filter will remove LOTS of photons. Try shining a white LED through a glass of red wine sometime. Or through a red ballon. Just amazing how much is adsorbed! White is a fake of course - LEDs are monochromatic by nature.
 
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So the FM35 should fit on the Lionheart? I need a red filter for night flying and really see no point in buying a cheap and inferior flashlight just for that task!

Is there a red filter that also fits on the VIP?
 
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It should - the Z3 head & the LH's are the same diameter, give or take 1/64" or so. My beamcover isn't quite as snug on the LH as it is on the Z3, but the difference is very slight. My beamcover just slips on, but the FM35 should lock on just fine.
 
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Awesome..Thanks! Now the REAL question is, will it fit on both the Lionheart AND the VIP regular head?
 
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This morning, I picked up one of the Garrity Nichia LED Aluminum flashlights that Tweek mentioned. It was $12.77 at Walmart. The Model is K009G, UPC 074196004586. It comes with a wrist lanyard with a snap-on ring similar to Surefire’s lanyard clips, as well as the blue and red filters and nylon belt sheath that Tweek already mentioned. The filters are plastic of some type, which is to be expected on a cheap light. The light is 4.6” long with a 1.1” diameter body and a 1.2” diameter head. It uses a click tailcap. The switch requires more force that any of my Surefire’s, but it’s manageable. It doesn’t support momentary on, but it does support momentary off once you’ve turned it on – how’s that for a strange twist? The sheath, although of cheap quality, is perfectly sized to carry both the filters and the LH with the upcoming 168A body. The filters fit in a small, dedicated pouch on the side of the sheath. Velcro is used for the flaps. The light will tail stand on a flat surface, but it will lean and is easily tipped over. I bought a gun metal colored one, but they also had a black and a blue model.

Sorry for the sidetrack, but the Garrity is a nice enough $13 light that it deserves a few words. Okay, back to the filters...

Here are some measurements:

CPF SE LH head - 1.225” outer dia
Z3 head – 1.230” outer dia
Garrity filters – 1.2375” inner dia

Amazingly, the Garrity filters pop onto the LH head as if they were made for it. In fact, they stay on my LH better than the Garrity! The fit is snug due to three small ridges on the inner surface that goes around the LH. The ridges are spaced equally around the circumference of the filter. Each is about 0.25” in length and make the filter’s effective inner diameter about 1.21-1.22”. Initially, they definitely won’t fall off. Over time, I suspect they may become loose due to stresses and heat. If they do, a little dab of superglue on the filter’s “retaining ridges”, once dried, should tighten it up to fit snugly once again. Since HAIII is thinnest on edges, the filters may cause some wear over time.

Here are some meter readings for my CPF SE LH. I used a fully-charged (4.18V) and rested 150A for the tests. A Meterman LM-531 equivalent meter and a quickbeam lightbox (as used on flashlightreviews.com) were also used. The values in parentheses are adjusted values that can be used to roughly compare with quickbeam’s values.

No filter, spot @ 1m – 2370 lux (48.7)
Blue filter, spot @ 1m – 333 lux (18.2), an 86% reduction
Red filter, spot @ 1m – 147 lux (12.1), a 94% reduction

No filter, lightbox overall – 3350 lux (33.5)
Blue filter, lightbox overall – 683 lux (6.83), an 80% reduction
Red filter, lightbox overall – 241 lux (2.43), a 93% reduction

The meter doesn’t lie. These are huge reductions in transmitted light, just as those in the know said. But that doesn’t mean they’re useless – just inefficient. On high, both allow enough light for me to easily see details up to 20 ft or so. Of course, the lost light is being turned into heat by the filters, so I’m sure they will deform, maybe even melt, if used on high for extended periods. They do seem functional for short to medium run times on high, and longer run times on the LH’s lower levels.

Subjectively, the red filter on the LH UI1 level 2 is plenty of light to read by – I could clearly make out the print on a bottle of hydrogen peroxide at a distance of 3 feet. The blue filter on UI1 level 2 is sufficient to see a small drop of fresh blood on a dark blue t-shirt from 3 ft away (I’m diabetic, so this was easy to test). The filters have no obvious impact on the beam shape.

Chris, before you add the cost and bulk of a Surefire filter, you might want to pick up one of these Garrity lights and give its red filter on the LH a go in the cockpit. Even if you go up to level 3, I don’t think heat will be problem, even if it’s used continuously for a while. If you like it, you’ve got a small solution at a third the cost of the much larger SF filters, and you’ve got a really nice Nichia-based light to boot.

Thanks, Tweek, for mentioning the Garrity! I won’t use the filters much, so they’re a much better value to me than a SF filter. Functionally, these are almost exactly what I wanted.
 
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Thanks! I'll check it out once the blizzard stops!
 
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Well, I guess I stand corrected on the output drop numbers... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif But glad to help anyway, I did think that for the money it was a nice little light once I got to use it a bit. Not a fan of that swich though! One thing about it you didn't mention: the beam! Mine's an almost perfect circle with a purple fringe around the edge, and basically zero spill. Fairly narrow angle too. Also, the lanyard will fit in the head grooves of the LH, but it's not exactly comfortable to use.

Chris
 
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The switch on the Garrity would be okay if the darn body wasn't so slick. I could have sworn I mentioned the beam, but you're right, I didn't. The beam reminds me of a spotlight at the theatre or an ice show. I thought about trying the lanyard on the LH, but I've got a clip on the way.

I've got a parrot who lives in the main room at my house. When I get up at night, I'm finding the Garrity to be perfect for navigating through the room without throwing any light into his cage. Thanks again for mentioning it!
 
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Codeman, this is very useful information, thanks for doing it and sharing it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif

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Here are some meter readings for my CPF SE LH. I used a fully-charged (4.18V) and rested 150A for the tests. A Meterman LM-531 equivalent meter and a quickbeam lightbox (as used on flashlightreviews.com) were also used. The values in parentheses are adjusted values that can be used to roughly compare with quickbeam’s values.

No filter, spot @ 1m – 2370 lux (48.7)
Blue filter, spot @ 1m – 333 lux (18.2), an 86% reduction
Red filter, spot @ 1m – 147 lux (12.1), a 94% reduction

No filter, lightbox overall – 3350 lux (33.5)
Blue filter, lightbox overall – 683 lux (6.83), an 80% reduction
Red filter, lightbox overall – 241 lux (2.43), a 93% reduction


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Aha! There it is.

My US Gubmint marked Infinity 1xAA <font color="red"> Red LED </font> puts out far more light than my Petzl TacTikka PLUS's 3xAAA 4 White LEDs through the flip-up filter.

My Meterman arrives on the 31st and I'll measure the Petzl.

Britt
 
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