Lumens Factory M series type bulb

[alfonso2501]

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread!:huh:

 

[Per Arne]

Hi, and thank you for your reply mdocod

Since the M3 Bezel would fit the M4 Body, I can only use MN10/MN11 Lamp with 3x 123A lithium and a dummy... or MN10 with 2x 17670?

I recon the same set-up goes for the new Lumens Factory lamps?

Thanks again for you help!

PA

 

[mdocod]

you can use the MN10 or MN11 like you mentioned, or any M3 lamp from LF (when they come out) in a M3 bezel on a M4... but like you said, power source will have to be 3 CR123s with a dummy, or 2x17670 would work GREAT!

I suggest a 2x18650 leefbody with M head, M3 bezel, and M3 style lamp, that way you have a more compact head than the big turbos, and lots of power to play with. (run any M3 style lamp twice as long as it runs on 3xCR123 and anywhere from 25-75% brighter depending on the lamp)

 

[Mark@LF]

Here you go guys, this is a photo I took at home.

We are waiting for the offical product photos to be taken at the studios.
We release the new series when it is done, which will probably be somewhere next week.

Thanks

Mark

 

[Telkin]

Wow Mark, they look great! Can't wait to get some for my M Series. Aluminum base too?!

Could you let us know what the configurations you are planning to unveil? That way we'll know exactly which ones we want to order when you open up the sale.

Also thanks for the Golf shirt! Much appreciated!

Cheers,

Ken

 

[sixshooter_45]

Yes guys, I have been reading.

But I have been very busy lately with new projects, so sorry for the late update on the Series.

Here are the current specs of the M Series:

For M3: (3xCR123A) (2x17500 Rechargeable Batteries)
HO-M3 7.4V 1.55A 320 Lumens
EO-M3 7.2V 2.0A 380 Lumens

For M3T: (3xCR123A) (2x17500 Rechargeable Batteries)
HO-M3T 7.2V 2.0A 380 Lumens
EO-M3T 7.2V 2.4A 450 Lumens

For M4: (4xCR123A)
HO-M4 9.2V 2.15A 550 Lumens

We are not going to make 7V 3A for 2 x 17670 Rec.B as it would probably need double clicks and the output would be about 500 to 550 Lumens which is not much difference to EO-M3T.

The release date of the M Series will be mid May.

Thanks guys.

Hi, Mark

Wouldn't the EO-M3 7.2V, 2.0A, 380 Lumens require 2 clicks also since the max discharge rate is 1.5C; 1.1A x 1.5C = 1.65A, or am I missing something here, wouldn't be the first time, lol

I know I can't run my MN11, M3 HOLA on the 17500 without a double click, (which I hate), but the MN10 is no problem with single click.

MN10 M3 LOLA - 1.30A (on 2x17500 Li-Ion)
MN11 M3 HOLA - 2.50A (on 2x17500 Li-Ion)



17500 SPECIFICATIONS:
Model : LIR 17500
Constant Voltage : 3.7V
Capacity : 1100mAH ( min. 1000mAH ) - tested at 0.2C discharge with end voltage 3.0V
Internal Impedance : < 180 m Ohm ( 1KHz )
Ambient Temperature
for Standard Charge : 0 C ~ 45 C
for Discharge : -20 C ~ 60 C
Max. Discharge Rate : 1.5C
Dimensions :17 X 51mm ( +/- 0.5mm )
Weight : 30 ( +/- 2 ) g

 

[mdocod]

sixshooter

The reason you are having to double click is the cells, not the lamp. There are cells available that are still protected for your safety, but were designed with lightign up high current lamps without the need for "tapping" tailcaps.

AWs "new" 17500s, Wolf-Eyes LRB-150B, and Pila 300S (all 17500 in size) will light up SF HOLAs on 1 click, however, it is advised against to do this with any cell smaller than an 18500, due to the extreme current requirements of the HOLA lamps... The 2.0A draw of the LF lamp will work fine on 17500 sized cells, the 2.5-2.75Amp of the HOLA lamps is too much for safety concerns, (I am currently using a 2.0A EO-9 in a 2x17500 configuration with flawless results).

I'm assuming you got those "LIR" model cells from a fleabayish sortof dealer. The protection circuits in those cells were never designed with lighting up bulbs. They are designed for lower current applications with lower startup surges.

click on the link in my signature for a more detailed breakdown on cell choices.

 

[LED61]

Mark, I guess the M3T EO will run well in the SF M6 and Fivemega's 2S3P 17500 battery holder ? How about some development of an extreme output LA for the M6 running on that same battery setup ? Or, if the current draw is too high then go to a lamp that will put out close to the WA 1185 1200 bulb lumens running on Fivemega's 3S3P 9x17500 holder. Just imagine how many people would go wild with an M6 and a LF 13V bulb for this setup and go for something like 800 torch lumens? You would not have to fool around with bi pin sockets and WA 1185 bulbs anymore.

 

[dradee1]

I really wish you guys would make a 13v bulb for the M4, now that would truly be a awsome bulb.

 

[sixshooter_45]

sixshooter

The reason you are having to double click is the cells, not the lamp. There are cells available that are still protected for your safety, but were designed with lightign up high current lamps without the need for "tapping" tailcaps.

AWs "new" 17500s, Wolf-Eyes LRB-150B, and Pila 300S (all 17500 in size) will light up SF HOLAs on 1 click, however, it is advised against to do this with any cell smaller than an 18500, due to the extreme current requirements of the HOLA lamps... The 2.0A draw of the LF lamp will work fine on 17500 sized cells, the 2.5-2.75Amp of the HOLA lamps is too much for safety concerns, (I am currently using a 2.0A EO-9 in a 2x17500 configuration with flawless results).

I'm assuming you got those "LIR" model cells from a fleabayish sortof dealer. The protection circuits in those cells were never designed with lighting up bulbs. They are designed for lower current applications with lower startup surges.

click on the link in my signature for a more detailed breakdown on cell choices.

mdocod, the Model : LIR 17500 was my mistake if these are not the new AW's 17500 batteries, I had copied this info. from here somewhere awhile ago.

I do have the new Protected 17500 ( 1100mAH ) ---- $10.00 each *New Cell batteries from AW and they will light the M3 HOLA on the first click but only a few times, after that they need a double click.

"I am currently using a 2.0A EO-9 in a 2x17500 configuration with flawless results"

I am obviously misunderstanding the the formula for the maximum discharge rate which I thought was 1100mah or 1.1A x 1.5C = 1.65A, of course these are the specs. from the LIR models.

I will take a look at your sig link, already saved, and need to finish reading Battery University.

Thanks for your time and feedback.

 

[mdocod]

The new cells are rated up to 2C, and into a 2A load of a EO-9, they deliver about 1AH, so it's about 2C current draw. The EO-9 will always light up on 1 click... I can see where the 17500s would start to require multiple taps after a few minutes runtime on a SF HOLA lamp. My 17670s starts to require multiple taps towards the end of a run into a P91.

Definetely avoid using the SF HOLAs on anything smaller than 18500 though. It's really hard on those 17500s. The EO-9 and EO-M3 will be fine though, and work without multiple taps on AWs *new* 17500s, or Pila or WE cells.

 

[alantch]

Will the EO-M3T will fit the KT1 head? What' would be the estimated runtime for this bulb on 2 x P18500 from AW and the estimated torch lumens, as opposed to the 450 bulb lumens quoted by LF?

 

[mdocod]

copied directly from the compatibility chart... (link in signature)

Cell configuration: 2x18500

Bulb Options:
SF MN15: 9.5W, 75 min, 155 lumen
SF N2: 9.5W, 75 min, 155 lumen
SF MN16: 20W, 25 min, 355 lumen
SF MN20: 19W, 25 min, 300 lumen
LF HO-M3T: 15.5W, 35 min, 300 lumen
LF EO-M3T: 18.5W, 25 min, 340 lumen

Body Options:
Leefbody 2x18500 w/C tail and head, +SF compatible tail-cap, +KT2 ++
Leefbody 2x18500 w/C tail and M head, + SF compatible tail-cap, +KT4 ++


these are esimtated inicial torch lumens... The KT1 and KT2 are the same thing, they just come with different lamps... I should probably revise this in the chart.

 

[batman]

let me know when they (Lumens factory) make a lamp assembly for the M6 Guardian, if they can. I would also like to see an A2 Aviator lamp assembly.

 

[falconz]

As for the A2, it is a good next choice I think.

Finally!!!
Can't wait!! My bulb's blackening already!

 

[DM51]

[DREAM]
EO-A2 .... 200 bulb lumens
HO-A2 .... 150 bulb lumens
SR-A2 .... 100 bulb lumens
ES-A2 .... 50 bulb lumens
[/DREAM]

 

[alantch]

Is it possible to run the HO-M4 bulb using 2 x 18500? What kind of output and runtimes can be expected, if it runs at all? From the specs it sucks less amp compared to the EO-M3T, produces more output but requires a higher voltage to run.

 

[leukos]

As for the A2, it is a good next choice I think.

Just remember that too much additional heat could have an adverse effect on the LEDs.






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[Outdoors Fanatic]

[DREAM]
EO-A2 .... 200 bulb lumens
HO-A2 .... 150 bulb lumens
SR-A2 .... 100 bulb lumens
ES-A2 .... 50 bulb lumens
[/DREAM]

What? The EO-A2 needs to be at least 250 lumens, unless you are talking torch lumens.

The Aviator puts out 75 torch lumens. A decent upgrade requires 50% more lumens than that to be a true improvement.

 

[DM51]

What? The EO-A2 needs to be at least 250 lumens, unless you are talking torch lumens.

The Aviator puts out 75 torch lumens. A decent upgrade requires 50% more lumens than that to be a true improvement.

I am delighted to stand corrected! Any advance on 250 lm?