I have always read about the different types of sandwiches that Wayne sells. I just dont understand what the difference between them are. Specifically, the MadMax plus and MM lite. Brightness? Runtime? there is also something that says, "FF2" or "FF2 compatible". What are the differences?
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MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the difference?
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Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
MM+ drives the LED harder than MM-Lite, and will have greater brightness and lesser runtime. The MadMax boards are set to regulate input current, but I don't know/remember the exact settings. There used to be a plain MM somewhere in the middle, don't know if it's still offered. I think there are specs on dat2zip's website (not the Shoppe e-commerce site).
FF2 compatible means that it will work in the Fire~Fly 2. I think this means that the sandwich thickness is within specific tolerances. Mags have longer springs that can accomodate variation, so thickness isn't as important for them.
MM+ drives the LED harder than MM-Lite, and will have greater brightness and lesser runtime. The MadMax boards are set to regulate input current, but I don't know/remember the exact settings. There used to be a plain MM somewhere in the middle, don't know if it's still offered. I think there are specs on dat2zip's website (not the Shoppe e-commerce site).
FF2 compatible means that it will work in the Fire~Fly 2. I think this means that the sandwich thickness is within specific tolerances. Mags have longer springs that can accomodate variation, so thickness isn't as important for them.
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
Quite simply, MM+ is brighter with less runtime as compared to the MM-Lite. In my opinion the MM-Lite gets overlooked too much. It's really a great drop-in replacement.
Quite simply, MM+ is brighter with less runtime as compared to the MM-Lite. In my opinion the MM-Lite gets overlooked too much. It's really a great drop-in replacement.
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
I have to agree with TiN. The MM lite is a real sleeper. On fresh batts you'll get something around 350-400mA to the luxeon. The MM lite also works really well on a single AA cell. Many get too tangled up in performance and overlook the more "useful."
I have to agree with TiN. The MM lite is a real sleeper. On fresh batts you'll get something around 350-400mA to the luxeon. The MM lite also works really well on a single AA cell. Many get too tangled up in performance and overlook the more "useful."
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
Another important factor is heat. MM+ will put off too much head to use with an aluminum head Firefly.
will get too hot to hold after 10 minutes or so. makes nice hand warmer /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
You really need to go with a lower driven sammie like MMlite or BB500.
Another important factor is heat. MM+ will put off too much head to use with an aluminum head Firefly.
will get too hot to hold after 10 minutes or so. makes nice hand warmer /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
You really need to go with a lower driven sammie like MMlite or BB500.
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
cy,
I have to disagree with going with a BB500 as opposed to the MM+. Any less heat generated by the Lux at 500mA is more than made up for by the heat generated by the BB. Now the NexGen500 will give you less heat.
cy,
I have to disagree with going with a BB500 as opposed to the MM+. Any less heat generated by the Lux at 500mA is more than made up for by the heat generated by the BB. Now the NexGen500 will give you less heat.
tvodrd
*Flashaholic* ,
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
The MM Lite was my choice for a couple dozen CR2 II lights, and were I to do some more it will (hopefully) continue to be so. Throw in ~20 ohms with a 2-stage and you can get Arc AAA level+ output and 20 hours run time to 50% lux!
Larry
The MM Lite was my choice for a couple dozen CR2 II lights, and were I to do some more it will (hopefully) continue to be so. Throw in ~20 ohms with a 2-stage and you can get Arc AAA level+ output and 20 hours run time to 50% lux!
Larry
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
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Chop said:
cy,
I have to disagree with going with a BB500 as opposed to the MM+. Any less heat generated by the Lux at 500mA is more than made up for by the heat generated by the BB. Now the NexGen500 will give you less heat.
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I'm nuts about sammies and last count I've got aprox. 15 of them. results are MM+ tbin or R2H thow off lots of heat. whereas with BB500 R2H and tbin they throw off min heat and work great for aluminum head Firefly.
I have stayed away from next gen due to feedback with problems on low levels. Has that issue been corrected?
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Chop said:
cy,
I have to disagree with going with a BB500 as opposed to the MM+. Any less heat generated by the Lux at 500mA is more than made up for by the heat generated by the BB. Now the NexGen500 will give you less heat.
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I'm nuts about sammies and last count I've got aprox. 15 of them. results are MM+ tbin or R2H thow off lots of heat. whereas with BB500 R2H and tbin they throw off min heat and work great for aluminum head Firefly.
I have stayed away from next gen due to feedback with problems on low levels. Has that issue been corrected?
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
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cy said:
I have stayed away from next gen due to feedback with problems on low levels. Has that issue been corrected?
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I think it was determined that the flickering on low, although commonly reproduceable, occurred only after an uncommon usage pattern: running on high for an extended period, then switching to low, with or without completely removing power in between. I think lowering the resistor value also reduced the occurrences.
I don't have a link to the relevant threads here or in McGizmo's forum, but I'm pretty sure there was a scare for about a week, then informal testing showed that few users would actually encounter the problem in "normal" use.
My first and favorite sandwich is the MM-Lite. I had ordered a BB750, but there was a mix-up. I thought, hey, this is pretty bright, but not the super bright that I had been expecting. The real tip-off was when it didn't burn the crap out of my hand when running in constant-on.
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cy said:
I have stayed away from next gen due to feedback with problems on low levels. Has that issue been corrected?
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I think it was determined that the flickering on low, although commonly reproduceable, occurred only after an uncommon usage pattern: running on high for an extended period, then switching to low, with or without completely removing power in between. I think lowering the resistor value also reduced the occurrences.
I don't have a link to the relevant threads here or in McGizmo's forum, but I'm pretty sure there was a scare for about a week, then informal testing showed that few users would actually encounter the problem in "normal" use.
My first and favorite sandwich is the MM-Lite. I had ordered a BB750, but there was a mix-up. I thought, hey, this is pretty bright, but not the super bright that I had been expecting. The real tip-off was when it didn't burn the crap out of my hand when running in constant-on.
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
cy,
I'm not going to dispute your observations with regard to the sandwiches. I am only basing my comments on observations that I've made during the 100+ or so mods/builds that I've done using different converters. Since I tend to lean toward smaller lights, I've messed with lots of BBs and MM+s. As far as the converter itself goes, the BadBoy generates a lot more heat than a MadMax does. I do believe that Wayne himself said, some time ago, that the BadBoy was designed for intermittent use, due to the heat it generates because it is constantly struggling to maintain current regulation, regardless of the shape the battery is in. The MadMax was recommended for extended running times.
I don't mess with many mini mag mods. I do know that the last light I built with a BB400 and a Lux III will get too hot to handle, if left sitting alone. A MM+ in the same light does not get nearly as hot.
Perhaps the use of AA cells rather than a 123 makes a difference. I don't know.
If using a NexGen is out of the question, my preference is still the MM+ converter. If the BB500 gets your attention, then I'd go for the MM lite.
cy,
I'm not going to dispute your observations with regard to the sandwiches. I am only basing my comments on observations that I've made during the 100+ or so mods/builds that I've done using different converters. Since I tend to lean toward smaller lights, I've messed with lots of BBs and MM+s. As far as the converter itself goes, the BadBoy generates a lot more heat than a MadMax does. I do believe that Wayne himself said, some time ago, that the BadBoy was designed for intermittent use, due to the heat it generates because it is constantly struggling to maintain current regulation, regardless of the shape the battery is in. The MadMax was recommended for extended running times.
I don't mess with many mini mag mods. I do know that the last light I built with a BB400 and a Lux III will get too hot to handle, if left sitting alone. A MM+ in the same light does not get nearly as hot.
Perhaps the use of AA cells rather than a 123 makes a difference. I don't know.
If using a NexGen is out of the question, my preference is still the MM+ converter. If the BB500 gets your attention, then I'd go for the MM lite.
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
Chop, please note at no time did I dispute your findings about BB making more heat than MM boards. I highly respect your opinions /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif
I should have stated more clearly that in Fireflys w/aluminum head. if you use MM+ boards with R2H or Tbin, after a few minutes FF will get too hot to hold.
Whereas if you run MMlite or BB500 almost no heat is generated when used in FF. barely gets warm. So if you are going to use an aluminum head in FF. don't go with MM+.
Chop, please note at no time did I dispute your findings about BB making more heat than MM boards. I highly respect your opinions /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif
I should have stated more clearly that in Fireflys w/aluminum head. if you use MM+ boards with R2H or Tbin, after a few minutes FF will get too hot to hold.
Whereas if you run MMlite or BB500 almost no heat is generated when used in FF. barely gets warm. So if you are going to use an aluminum head in FF. don't go with MM+.
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
I think a lot of the heat is dependant on the Vf of the LED since the majority of the heat is the LED and some heat comes from the converter board.
Considering recently low VFs are very abundant could behave differently than a module or assembly built 6 mo's ago when Ks and Ls were more abundant.
I think a lot of the heat is dependant on the Vf of the LED since the majority of the heat is the LED and some heat comes from the converter board.
Considering recently low VFs are very abundant could behave differently than a module or assembly built 6 mo's ago when Ks and Ls were more abundant.
StoneDog
Flashlight Enthusiast
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
I like them both and am anxious to try the NexGen BB500 as well.
My first sammie was an original BB500 low-dome of unknown bin. I left it standing head-down for 15 minutes w/ fresh batteries and it was almost uncomfortably warm. I have a MM+/R2J sandwich with a custom copper heatsink and, in my CNC-123 at least, it will get warm after 15 minutes but not any worse than that old BB500 would. This is, of course, highly unscientific but those are my experiences. The MM-Lite sandwich that I had produced very little heat, if any at all.
It's definitely better to use low Vf emitters with the MM boards. As Wayne has confirmed, they send a fixed amount of power to the emitter so lower forward voltage emitters get more current. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Jon
I like them both and am anxious to try the NexGen BB500 as well.
My first sammie was an original BB500 low-dome of unknown bin. I left it standing head-down for 15 minutes w/ fresh batteries and it was almost uncomfortably warm. I have a MM+/R2J sandwich with a custom copper heatsink and, in my CNC-123 at least, it will get warm after 15 minutes but not any worse than that old BB500 would. This is, of course, highly unscientific but those are my experiences. The MM-Lite sandwich that I had produced very little heat, if any at all.
It's definitely better to use low Vf emitters with the MM boards. As Wayne has confirmed, they send a fixed amount of power to the emitter so lower forward voltage emitters get more current. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Jon
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
So say I am about to buy a madmax plus, and I dont know which one to pick since there are two kinds. Which kind would be better? There are two kinds sold in Wayne's shop. One apparently has a TX0J bin and the other a TX1J bin. The difference is tint right? Or am I wrong?
So say I am about to buy a madmax plus, and I dont know which one to pick since there are two kinds. Which kind would be better? There are two kinds sold in Wayne's shop. One apparently has a TX0J bin and the other a TX1J bin. The difference is tint right? Or am I wrong?
Re: MadMax plus, MadMax lite... whats the differen
TXOJ has become my favorite.
TXOJ has become my favorite.
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