Manker E14vn III & MC13vn = Flooder Thrower Dream Pair R

[Skylumen]

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https://skylumen.com/collections/v5...e14vn-iii-mc13vn-flooder-thrower-dream-pair-r

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[OnlyownEnergizer250lumen]

So what happens when you put a W2.1 into this unique reflector? I thought the narrow beam width was forced due to the large optic, so wouldn't cramping more lumens into the same width beam create more intensity / throw distance? I was surprised to see your W2.1 modded versión only increases lumens, but not intensity/throw.

Does the 2.1 in fact make a wider beam width?

 

[Alex1234]

So what happens when you put a W2.1 into this unique reflector? I thought the narrow beam width was forced due to the large optic, so wouldn't cramping more lumens into the same width beam create more intensity / throw distance? I was surprised to see your W2.1 modded versión only increases lumens, but not intensity/throw.

Does the 2.1 in fact make a wider beam width?

just like a conventional reflector the bigger the led the bigger the hotspot. I have a stock E10 and a E10vn with W2.1 that does double the lumen. The E10vn has a hotspot twice the size double the lumen but the same intensity

 

[OnlyownEnergizer250lumen]

just like a conventional reflector the bigger the led the bigger the hotspot. I have a stock E10 and a E10vn with W2.1 that does double the lumen. The E10vn has a hotspot twice the size double the lumen but the same intensity

Thank you, but that still doesn't explain Vinh's measurement numbers when comparing the two lights and LEDs...

• Spec 1 E10vn W1 6500K @2s = 560L, 160Kcd, 800m
• Spec 2 E10vn W2 5400K @2s= 730L, 120Kcd, 692m

Notice the specs from the Skylumen website above, the different LED W1 vs W2 results in different amounts of intensity and throw.

But if you compare the Manker MC13 specs:

• Spec 1 Stock MC13 W1.1 6500K @2s: 600L, 160Kcd, 800m
  
• Spec 3 MC13vn VNX2 W2.1 5400K @2s: 1100L, 160kcd, 800m
  

Different LED here produces the same throw / intensity, unlike the E10 mentioned previously.

It would stand to reason that by switching from W1 to W2 (without Vinh's boost) in the MC13, that there would be a similar loss of intensity and throw, and add ~200-300 lumens. However due to Vinh's boosting the driver... he gets more than 200-300 lumens, nearly double, and therefore the throw and intensity of the W2 does in fact increase to equal the W1.

I believe it is by coincidence that there is no change in throw/intensity, due to the boost, but without the boost, the LED swap would = less intensity / throw.


You are comparing stock E10 W1 to Boosted E10vn W2.1. We need to compare boosted vs boosted, or stock vs stock. Otherwise the equal intensity/throw is possibly due to the boost on the less throwy W2 pushing it into the W1 intensity / throw equivalent.

Vinh, can you shed some light on this please? Would a MC13vn W1.1 with VNX2 driver boost push 200kcd and 850m throw?

 

[Alex1234]

this optic is new so i think we are all trying understand what i can do. I think about 730 lumens is about all he can get out of the W1.1. I dont think the driver vnx2 will get anymore especially since the W2.1 is getting a 1000 lumens. The 1.1 will obviously be less then that

 

[Skylumen]

As soon as I get caught up I will talk more about these lights in a video. I like them enough to want to make a video on these!

 

[Skylumen]

I have not done a video in a long time but I got so much to say...Its a LONG *** video so you have been warned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtJoyQkDF2I&feature=youtu.be

 

[twistedraven]

MC13 is very handsome indeed. Just don't like that big branding on its head. Cerakote would clear that up though.

 

[Skylumen]

MC13 is very handsome indeed. Just don't like that big branding on its head. Cerakote would clear that up though.

I kinda want one in Camo cerakote with trits but man you gotta pay if you want to play...

 

[Skylumen]

All MC13vn ordered are fulfilled and shipped. MC13vn order after this post will have a 1-1.5 weeks wait time.

Couple of E14vn III left

 

[stewdogg]

Ahh, waited too long. I have been sitting here trying to figure out what LEDs to go with for the E14vn. I think I'm just going to go with the Nichia 219b in a 4500k variety. I have been looking for a good color rendering LED for my EDC light. I have the LH351D in both the 4000k (90+ CRI) and 5000k (80+ CRI) variety in a copper and separate titanium Sinner Custom builds I did. I like the LEDs, but still searching for the CRI sweet spot.

The MC13vn seems good with the W2.

Haha, looks like I waited a little extra too long as the price went up a bit too. I better stop typing and start ordering.

 

[Skylumen]

E14vn price went up as it now also has a power boost. Before it didn't.

 

[Skylumen]

L16 VS E10vn VS MC13vn VS E14vn Night Beam Shot


https://youtu.be/5xl8CJ3Vp74

 

[Skylumen]

MC13vn is also excellent with other neutral tint LEDs.

 

[SKV89]

Output measured at 2s with Texas Ace Lumen Tube calibrated with Maukka lights. Light parameters measured with Sekonic C-800-U

Manker E02II	Turbo	170 lumens	3963K	0.0008 DUV	96.6 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 1.00	90.3 R9	79.3 R12	93 Rf	101 Rg	Ladda 900
Manker E02II	High	81 lumens	3943K	0.0016 DUV	97.5 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 0.85	92.9 R9	77.7 R12	93 Rf	100 Rg	Ladda 900
Manker E02II	Low	29 lumens	3957K	0.0021 DUV	97.6 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 0.88	94.3 R9	76.0 R12	92 Rf	99 Rg	Ladda 900
Manker E02II	Moonlight	0 lumens	3974K	-0.0005 DUV	97.4 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 0.98	97.1 R9	75.8 R12	91 Rf	99 Rg	Ladda 900
Manker MC13	Low	70 lumens	6454K	0.0042 DUV	67.2 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 1.00	-36.1 R9	36.7 R12	63 Rf	95 Rg	included 18650 battery
Manker MC13	Mid	145 lumens	6974K	0.0004 DUV	67.5 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 1.00	-27.5 R9	38.6 R12	62 Rf	96 Rg	included 18650 battery
Manker MC13	High	292 lumens	7066K	-0.0006 DUV	67.1 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 1.00	-25.4 R9	39.7 R12	61 Rf	97 Rg	included 18650 battery
Manker MC13	Turbo	630 lumens	8686K	-0.0078 DUV	70.4 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 1.00	-1.0 R9	43.5 R12	62 Rf	98 Rg	included 18650 and 18350 battery
Manker E14 III	Low	144 lumens	4222K	0.0083 DUV	91.9 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 1.00	67.1 R9	68.4 R12	91 Rf	98 Rg	included 18350 battery
Manker E14 III	Mid	286 lumens	4234K	0.0079 DUV	91.8 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 1.00	66.6 R9	68.6 R12	91 Rf	98 Rg	included 18350 battery
Manker E14 III	High	627 lumens	4256K	0.0078 DUV	91.6 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 1.00	65.6 R9	69.0 R12	91 Rf	98 Rg	included 18350 battery
Manker E14 III	Turbo	2,069 lumens	4319K	0.0069 DUV	91.0 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 1.00	63.0 R9	70.1 R12	91 Rf	99 Rg	included 18350 battery
Manker E14 III	Turbo	2,328 lumens	4313K	0.0059 DUV	91.3 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 1.00	63.9 R9	70.9 R12	91 Rf	99 Rg	included 18650 battery

I also have a MC13vn with W2.1 with boosted driver on order and will measure it once I receive it. The MC13 is actually a good bit larger than I thought as I was imagining something slightly bigger than a GT Mini. The optic appears identical to the one used in the Acebeam E10 and L17. Though for some reason the hotspot seems just a tiny bit smaller than in the E10 and hotspot is more uniform. Maybe its just the focus is a bit different between the two. The MC13 measures 630 lumens on turbo while E10 measures 562 lumens. I'm not sure how much of it is due to the MC13 using the CULNM1.tg vs E10 using CSLNM1.tg or whether it is just the driver pushing more output in the MC13. Build quality is very high on both the MC13 and E4 III.

With the E4III, the tint (positive DUV) is unfortunately too green for my taste, which is typical for all the LH351D 4000K 90CRI I've seen. I will see what I can do with some minus green filters and maybe swap in some UCL lens if I can find compatible diameter lens. Also I feel that with 18650, it should be able to output much higher but the potential is limited by high resistance due to springs barely pushing on the battery contacts. I guess it was designed to accommodate long cells with built-in USB-C charge.

The included Manker 18350 and 18650 cells measure 1,180mah and 3,063mah. The 1,180mah is higher than 7 out of 8 of the legendary Aspire 18350 and older batch of Vapcell 18350; both of which rewrapped the older, better batch of YDL cells. The YDL cells in the last two years went down hill a bit and measure under 1,100mah. Not sure if I won the cell lottery or if Manker got a really good or improved YDL cell. The 18650 is probably a Samsung 30Q.

I really like the new improved UI!

 

[SKV89]

I'm very sensitive to green tint so I got rid of it by installing a UCL lens and Lee 249S Quarter Minus Green Filter. Here are my measurements:

Manker E14 III stock lens	mid	141 lumens	4262K	0.0081 DUV	91.8 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 1.00	66.7 R9	68.0 R12	91 Rf	98 Rg	included 18350 battery
Manker E14 III UCL lens	mid	141 lumens	4225K	0.0065 DUV	92.4 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 1.00	69.6 R9	69.2 R12	91 Rf	99 Rg	included 18350 battery
Manker E14 III UCL lens w/ LEE 249S 1/4 minus green filter	mid	119 lumens	3914K	-0.0010 DUV	97.7 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 0.98	88.4 R9	93.3 R12	94 Rf	102 Rg	included 18350 battery
Manker E14 III UCL lens w/ LEE 249S 1/4 minus green filter	Turbo	1,686 lumens	3983K	-0.0027 DUV	96.8 CRI	Blue light relative amplitude 0.98	85.4 R9	86.1 R12	94 Rf	103 Rg	included 18350 battery

DUV dropped a bit with the UCL lens and obviously much more with the LEE filter. Output dropped about 16% with the filter, which is not bad at all and is likely brighter and more efficient than the SST-20 95 CRI. On turbo it dropped closer to 18%. Without the green and a nice neutral tint, it is now a very usable light.

 

[dotCPF]

I just got my MC13 and E14 in yesterday and they are indeed a great combo!

I was thinking the MC13 might be nice with your W2.1 boost, but now I'm wondering if something like an SST-20 4000K or LH351D would be really nice in there...... does dedoming work/ have any effect with respect to the optic.

 

[Skylumen]

I just got my MC13 and E14 in yesterday and they are indeed a great combo!

I was thinking the MC13 might be nice with your W2.1 boost, but now I'm wondering if something like an SST-20 4000K or LH351D would be really nice in there. NO can do. THose LEDs does not have the 4040 LED footprint of the W1.1 and 2.1

...... does dedoming work/ have any effect with respect to the optic. I think so but only way to find out.

 

[Beamhead]

What size trit can fit in the switch?

 

[Skylumen]

What size trit can fit in the switch?

https://www.mixglo.com/

1.5X6mm IIRC