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Moddoolar Triple Wasp Cooling Head and Glow System

Don't know if this is really the "correct" glue. Seems to work good, so far.

Just about perfect after dark.


Trits are great in the dark. I'm traveling (in Orlando tonight, not my usual type of location) and I use a flashlight with trits in the head on the bedside table.
Preferred glue is Norland 61 - optical adhesive cured by UV light. Some people report using a 2 part epoxy. Search under Norland on CPF and you'll get some hits and should hit on someone selling it.
 
Anymore news on these? What about the TL50 bodies? It seems as though everyone and their brother is wanting one of those. Why not produce the products customers are requesting?
 
Anymore news on these? What about the TL50 bodies? It seems as though everyone and their brother is wanting one of those. Why not produce the products customers are requesting?

Its not that easy when the people involved in a small operation may have other jobs to do. I'm sure its also more prudent for them to be sure that there's a demand for something before making a certain quantity and then ending up with a surplus that can't be shifted.
 
Installing Trits

I have only done this one time, but I successfully installed 6 trits in two tailcaps.

I searched YouTube for video examples and there are several...my process, described below is an amalgamation of all I saw.

The Norland 61 adhesive is readily in small quantities on eBay. It has a short shelf life, so verify that the seller's supply is fresh.

I wasn't excited about using it, because it requires UV light to cure and a UV light gun was out of my price range. But, with a little research, I determined that Norland 61 will cure in SUNLIGHT! To test it, I put a drop on a piece of aluminum foil and left it in direct sun for 2 hours. Hardened into a glass bead!

Because it will cure in sunlight, make certain to store Norland in a cool dark place and use it before the expiration date.

I bought my trits from Bart here on CPF - easy peasy! Took about two weeks to get them from him in the Netherlands.

I cleaned the trit slots with acetone. Then I partially filled one slot on each tailcap with Norland 61. Maneuvered the trit into the slot and immersed it in the adhesive with a toothpick. Cleaned off the excess and put both tailcaps in the sun for 30 minutes. Repeated the process two more times for the two remaining slots on each tailcap. When the last trit was in and the tail caps were in the sun, I rotated them every 15 mins for 90 mins so that all got equally cured.

I'm super pleased with the result!

Best!

Russ Suey
Gear Geek
 
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Anymore news on these? What about the TL50 bodies? It seems as though everyone and their brother is wanting one of those. Why not produce the products customers are requesting?

Its a fair point. As Easy mentioned, we are a small operation. Mostly that means having enough resources to do things once. We are also hardened perfectionists (individually and collectively) and can get in our own way. So however well we plan, if something goes wrong, it can throw us off for an entire production cycle. And sometimes the nature of that smaller production encourages more issues. Both shortages are the result of production anomalies.

We made full batches of TL50's along with the 35's and 65's we made at the same time. We have to make them together because their isn't enough demand to make each size as its own batch. Having fully paid to cut and finish the TL50's, they went to the laser shop for etching. But because they were done at the same time as 65s and the shop made an error, they came back with the same size indicators as the 65's. We have not been willing to sell 50mm bodies with '65' etched on them. So new ones are waiting for us to need to make more 35's and 65's so we can also make more 50's. We could make 500x TL50's today, but would sell under 100 this year. And taxes on unsold stock take resources away from other projects.

We made a full batches of Wasp head parts, expecting to ramp up quickly to more and more production. Having put all those resources in, we discovered a subtle issue after launch, that we are unwilling to push forward onto our customers. Fixing the issue is requiring 1) designing a new unified driver board basically from scratch, 2) purchasing new parts to make the board, 3) testing the new parts to ensure they meet spec, 4) assembling them onto newly etched PCBs, 5) testing the finished boards, 6) installing the new boards and 7) relaunching the Wasps.

Any of the following would speed things up:

  • having a huge team
  • outsourcing our production
  • using off the shelf boards and other parts
  • shipping product we are not happy with
  • cutting corners on behavior, performance etc

These would make our flashlights less desirable and itself, solve the supply/demand problem. But more importantly, its not who we are and its not who (after we do ship) most of our customers want us to be. We are passed step 3 and pushing hard into step 4. When finished with step 7, I expect for us to be completely exhausted and our customers to be totally ecstatic. I believe the reengineering will have been totally worth it.


I wasn't excited about using it, because it requires UV light to cure and a UV light gun was out of my price range. But, with a little research, I determined that Norland 61 will cure in SUNLIGHT! To test it, I put a drop on a piece of aluminum foil and left it in direct sun for 2 hours. Hardened into a glass bead!

Great tip, thanks!
 
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Its a fair point. As Easy mentioned, we are a small operation. Mostly that means having enough resources to do things once. We are also hardened perfectionists (individually and collectively) and can get in our own way. So however well we plan, if something goes wrong, it can throw us off for an entire production cycle. And sometimes the nature of that smaller production encourages more issues. Both shortages are the result of production anomalies.

We made full batches of TL50's along with the 35's and 65's we made at the same. We have to make them together because their isn't enough demand to make each size as its own batch. Having fully paid to cut and finish the TL50's, they went to the laser shop for etching. But because they were done at the same time as 65s and the shop made an error, they came back with the same size indicators as the 65's. We have not been willing to sell 50mm bodies with '65' etched on them. So new ones are waiting for us to need to make more 35's and 65's so we can also make more 50's. We could make 500x TL50's today, but would sell under 100 this year. A taxes on unsold stock take resources away from other projects.

We made a full batches of Wasp head parts, expecting to ramp up quickly to more and more production. Having put all those resources in, we discovered a subtle issue after launch, that we are unwilling to push forward onto our customers. Fixing the issue is requiring 1) making a new unified driver board basically from scratch, 2) purchasing new parts to make the board, 3) testing the new parts to ensure they meet spec, 4) assembling them onto newly etched PCBs, 5) testing the finished boards, 6) installing the new boards and 7) relaunching the Wasps.

Any of the following would speed things up:

  • having a huge team
  • outsourcing our production
  • using off the shelf boards and other parts
  • shipping product we are not happy with
  • cutting corners on behavior, performance etc

These would make our flashlights less desirable and itself, solve the supply/demand problem. But more importantly, its not who we are and its not who (after we do ship) most of our customers want us to be. We are passed step 3 and pushing hard into step 4. When finished with step 7, I expect for us to be completely exhausted and our customers to be totally ecstatic. I believe the reengineering will have been totally worth it.

I agree with this philosophy 100%...As much as i'm ready for this to be completed, i do understand quality and i'm willing to wait for it. Thanks for the update...
 
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I truly appreciate the response. I guess I wasn't entirely aware of how precise this operation is. I apologize if I came off snide or disrespectful. :eek:

Also sent you a PM..
 
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I appreciate and admire the quality products sold by Oveready, but I also don't mind products with imperfections if I know about them when purchased. I also understand not wanting a product with the Oveready name out there with incorrect engraving. If you would be willing to sell the blemished TL50s, I would buy one to EDC and use hard. Scratches and dings add character.
 
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I appreciate and admire the quality products sold by Oveready, but I also don't mind products with imperfections if I know about them when purchased. I also understand not wanting a product with the Oveready name out there with incorrect engraving. If you would be willing to sell the blemished TL50s, I would buy one to EDC and use hard. Scratches and dings add character.

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I truly appreciate the response. I guess I wasn't entirely aware of how precise this operation is. I apologize if I came off snide or disrespectful. :eek:

Well, I consider it undignified to publicly share problems (especially with things I chose to undertake) and these issues are themselves rather counterintuitive. And issues are usually squashed before launch, so I haven't had to share the goings on. So your questions allow and encourage me to share information many others want to see (and need to because of the delay after release).


I appreciate and admire the quality products sold by Oveready, but I also don't mind products with imperfections if I know about them when purchased. I also understand not wanting a product with the Oveready name out there with incorrect engraving. If you would be willing to sell the blemished TL50s, I would buy one to EDC and use hard. Scratches and dings add character.

Hear that. Let me see what I can do. Might have something by launch.
 
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Well, I consider it undignified to publicly share problems (especially with things I chose to undertake) and these issues are themselves rather counterintuitive. And issues are usually squashed before launch, so I haven't had to share the goings on. So your questions allow and encourage me to share information many others want to see (and need to because of the delay after release).





Hear that. Let me see what I can do. Might have something by launch.

Yes. I wanted to be respectful and appreciate the honesty of your earlier post. What will become of those mis-labelled bodies?
 
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You can add me to the list of those waiting for a TL50, and would happily buy a black blem'd one. I tend to drop lights onto concrete within the first few days of ownership, so imperfections don't bother me.

Feel free to apply additional strategic blemishes (or a Birchwood Casey's Super Black-type product) so that it doesn't advertise itself as a TL65 if that would be better.
 
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...I tend to drop lights onto concrete within the first few days of ownership, so imperfections don't bother me...

Amen to dropping a light on concrete the first day you own it, I can be added to that list.

A big thank you to Oveready for their honesty and insight into production and the problems associated with production.
 
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What will become of those mis-labelled bodies?

You can add me to the list of those waiting for a TL50, and would happily buy a black blem'd one.

Yes, would be interested in blems as well for a project light I have planned

TL50 my favorite size, would be interested as well.

Thanks guys. This is the first time this has happened, so we're trying something with them. I'll be sure to post the results when we have them!
 
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I suggest doing the ole XXXX strike through. That should resolve it. Plus they would be destined to become collectors items. :sweat:
 

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