Modern. 380 rounds vs 9mm

NAA (North American Arms) once made a run at a wildcat .32 in a .380 bottleneck case, in co-op w/Corbon (.32NAA). I don't think it enjoyed much success in the market, but ICBW. Let's just say I didn't choose that route when it was available and I was picking out a Guardian .32 for myself ;-) Personally I do load, but have little interest in such wildcat variants.

I do, however currently keep some fairly hot CorBon .32ACP loads (but not designated as '+P') in my .32 Guardian.

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Thanks, didn't know of that round, I do like different stuff.
Maybe it's lower grain weight why it didn't take with the public

Mentioned the 357SIG, which is a 10mm case shortened to .40SW length, then necked to 9mm. very fast round
So, it's why to a make 357SIG pistol you only need a 9mm barrel to your .40SW pistol,, its magazines will work.
Springs are a factor in everything

I own 7.62x25 (full length 9mm case) necked to 7.62mm bullet // that's nearly a rifle cartridge

(10mm = .40")
 
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So many people don't know basic conflict resolution. They anger to fast me for instance a few weeks ago said hello to someone they told me to **** off . Lol instead of grting mad I just said OK and rode on by lol
 
So many people don't know basic conflict resolution. They anger to fast me for instance a few weeks ago said hello to someone they told me to **** off . Lol instead of grting mad I just said OK and rode on by lol
You handled that well.

You just can't know what people have been through. That homeless bum you see on the street just might be a war hero, unable to cope with civilian life after being traumatized by war. Some have survivor's guilt, some are just so tormented by memories of the horrors experienced in war, that they commit suicide to end the mental anguish. Some are victims of childhood abuse--you just have no idea what people have been through and are dealing with.
 
So many people don't know basic conflict resolution. They anger to fast me for instance a few weeks ago said hello to someone they told me to **** off . Lol instead of grting mad I just said OK and rode on by lol

Back to the thread title briefly: I'm trying to recall what the Terminator used in response to someone who said something similar to him. I can't remember if it was his 'shorty' 12 bore single-barrel, or his AMT LongSlide Hardballer (the BIG brother to the .380 Backup I mentioned earlier in this thread). It sure wasn't a .380 or a 9🙂

Seriously, as was said by @IMA SOL MAN, you handled that well. Don't waste a second of your time worrying about it. There are far too many out there these days, so it would be a full-time job;-)

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So many people don't know basic conflict resolution. They anger to fast me for instance a few weeks ago said hello to someone they told me to **** off . Lol instead of grting mad I just said OK and rode on by lol
The last time someone told me to, I asked if he was offering. That one got him.
 
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aznsx, had to go back and look at the .32NAA round you mentioned, something didn't add up with performance numbers.

If you look at the powder grains, the .32 is loaded lighter than the .380 using the same case... so its a 'light load'
The energy would be very different if the same amount of powder was used because velocity changes the energy equation more-so than weight (grains)
...that's why a .223 round can have such huge energy at only 55gr.

I do some reloading, using a balance scale which is VERY accurate, but takes forever to do.
using RCBS single load equipment

Personally find reloading less relaxing than most since I don't cut corners , quality in quality out takes time.
 
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Back to the thread title briefly: I'm trying to recall what the Terminator used in response to someone who said something similar to him. I can't remember if it was his 'shorty' 12 bore single-barrel, or his AMT LongSlide Hardballer (the BIG brother to the .380 Backup I mentioned earlier in this thread). It sure wasn't a .380 or a 9🙂

Seriously, as was said by @IMA SOL MAN, you handled that well. Don't waste a second of your time worrying about it. There are far too many out there these days, so it would be a full-time job;-)

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Sorry, but I forgot to add this to the original post, and wanted a professional opinion:

@knucklegary (and others):

Zoom that terminator photo and check out the construction / machining details of that thing! (aside from the gun). I find it amazing, and wonder how much work and time must have gone into its construction(?) I don't know jack about machining, or constructing such things, but the 'apparent' quality blows me away for a movie prop (albeit the main character;-) As I recall, at least one of these was destroyed during the filming, so clearly there was more than one produced, although much of the 'work' went into the first one I guess. I'm sure one of those filthy rich collector types would pay a fortune for this thing. I'm broke, but would love to have one in the corner of my living room to spice up the decor!

Note: Sorry 'bout the WOB, but I think we have plenty of bandwidth to spare these days;-)
 
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aznsx, had to go back and look at the .32NAA round you mentioned, something didn't add up with performance numbers.

If you look at the powder grains, the .32 is loaded lighter than the .380 using the same case... so its a 'light load'
The energy would be very different if the same amount of powder was used because velocity changes the energy equation more-so than weight (grains)
...that's why a .223 round can have such huge energy at only 55gr.

I do some reloading, using a balance scale which is VERY accurate, but takes forever to do.
using RCBS single load equipment

Personally find reloading less relaxing than most since I don't cut corners , quality in quality out takes time.

Started with the original Lee loader at age 12, but now it's a Dillon RL550B. I know 'the drill', and the facts from the hype. It's about priorities (all of them), like most everything else. I have high grade range ammo, better than what I can afford to buy, using very high grade Sierra bullets to boot (probably part of the reason for the consistency). My powder charges are very consistent (per beam balance and digital), although that could vary depending on the specific powder used. My standard 9 load is Unique, and it measures very consistently through my system. I believe you'd approve of what I produce if you examined and shot it (at least with my gun). They out-group range ammo I can afford to buy, for way less $, and the process is very enjoyable. I agree that a single-stage press is 'tedious'. I'm not a 'bench rest pro', and don't load my own defense rounds either. I also prefer proven, time tested loads, and don't have time to get into variants, including wildcat stuff; although +/- on a powder charge or bullet type, certainly.

Re: the .32NAA, I'm not qualified to disagree w/ the opinion of CorBon and NAA on it's ballistic viablility, but I can tell you why it didn't succeed: It came with a somewhat expensive, bespoke gun. That's a very tough hill to climb, and it clearly wasn't enough better to clear that hurdle. It was built on the frame of the Guardian .380, which is also larger and much heavier than the Guardian .32 which is already heavy (although very small as a result). I tried on a friend's (.380) in his ankle holster (which I don't normally use), and felt like I could barely walk!;-) I didn't even consider the .32NAA. If not the Guardian .32 I bought, it would have been the .380, not the .32NAA, although they were both too large for my need).

Not unlike flashlights: to each their own, according to personal priorities.
 
The 380 sure is more easy to carry to. Check out the bodyguard 2.0 and is accurate till 50 yards i heard .
Maybe if your Jerry Miculek!

The BG 2.0 has great ergos and shoots like a bigger gun, but it's still a pocket pistol and it's sights are not very good for accuracy past 10-15 yards for most shooters.
 
380 has come a long way if you ask me

The 380 is a great cartridge for concealed carry – the guns tend to be small, light weight and easy to conceal and the recoil is mild (particularly in a locked breach gun as opposed to blow back) – but you do need to pick your ammo carefully.

The XTP bullet as loaded by Hornady (American Gunner) and Fiocchi (Extrema/Hyperperformance) and others have long been the go to rounds for defensive loads for the 380. XTP 380 loads tend to give a good balance of adequate penetration with some expansion without over penetrating like FMJ bullets do. Federal HST and Speer Gold Dot expand well in 380 but they tend to under penetrate.

If you can put the rounds on target, 380 XTP bullet will do the job. Check out what a XTP bullet can do to a piece of meat:



A 380 is a very good choice for home defense too particularly in a larger pistol such as the Ruger Security 380, because they are so easy to shoot and 380 rounds penetrate much less in building materials, have less recoil and blast than a 9 mm. Though, with a 9 ammo is cheaper and it's easier to find rounds the give good penetration and expansion.
 
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Sorry, but I forgot to add this to the original post, and wanted a professional opinion:

@knucklegary (and others):

Zoom that terminator photo and check out the construction / machining details of that thing! (aside from the gun). I find it amazing, and wonder how much work and time must have gone into its construction(?) I don't know jack about machining, or constructing such things, but the 'apparent' quality blows me away for a movie prop (albeit the main character;-) As I recall, at least one of these was destroyed during the filming, so clearly there was more than one produced, although much of the 'work' went into the first one I guess. I'm sure one of those filthy rich collector types would pay a fortune for this thing. I'm broke, but would love to have one in the corner of my living room to spice up the decor!

Note: Sorry 'bout the WOB, but I think we have plenty of bandwidth to spare these days;-)
I like the braided SS hydraulic lines traversing each shoulder. And,, that red dot laser eye!
My guess 1000's hours $$ in the making of all the parts. Plus like you said they blew up and smashed some of the props..
Now, how ya gonna get dat chrome mutha into your nsx🤔... Sit him shotgun then drive down Hollywood & Vine, give all the street drunks a thrill;-)
 
Started with the original Lee loader at age 12, but now it's a Dillon RL550B. I know 'the drill', and the facts from the hype. It's about priorities (all of them), like most everything else. I have high grade range ammo, better than what I can afford to buy, using very high grade Sierra bullets to boot (probably part of the reason for the consistency). My powder charges are very consistent (per beam balance and digital), although that could vary depending on the specific powder used. My standard 9 load is Unique, and it measures very consistently through my system. I believe you'd approve of what I produce if you examined and shot it (at least with my gun). They out-group range ammo I can afford to buy, for way less $, and the process is very enjoyable. I agree that a single-stage press is 'tedious'. I'm not a 'bench rest pro', and don't load my own defense rounds either. I also prefer proven, time tested loads, and don't have time to get into variants, including wildcat stuff; although +/- on a powder charge or bullet type, certainly.

Re: the .32NAA, I'm not qualified to disagree w/ the opinion of CorBon and NAA on it's ballistic viablility, but I can tell you why it didn't succeed: It came with a somewhat expensive, bespoke gun. That's a very tough hill to climb, and it clearly wasn't enough better to clear that hurdle. It was built on the frame of the Guardian .380, which is also larger and much heavier than the Guardian .32 which is already heavy (although very small as a result). I tried on a friend's (.380) in his ankle holster (which I don't normally use), and felt like I could barely walk!;-) I didn't even consider the .32NAA. If not the Guardian .32 I bought, it would have been the .380, not the .32NAA, although they were both too large for my need).

Not unlike flashlights: to each their own, according to personal priorities.
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Good post👍

The 380 is a great cartridge for concealed carry – the guns tend to be small, light weight and easy to conceal and the recoil is mild (particularly in a locked breach gun as opposed to blow back) – but you do need to pick your ammo carefully.

The XTP bullet as loaded by Hornady (American Gunner) and Fiocchi (Extrema/Hyperperformance) and others have long been the go to rounds for defensive loads for the 380. XTP 380 loads tend to give a good balance of adequate penetration with some expansion without over penetrating like FMJ bullets do. Federal HST and Speer Gold Dot expand well in 380 but they tend to under penetrate.

If you can put the rounds on target, 380 XTP bullet will do the job. Check out what a XTP bullet can do to a piece of meat:


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Fiocchi is very good ammo, my 10mm rounds are more in the +P category. It doesn't come with the mega fancy +P packaging or price.
I mentioned XTP hollowpoints in post#63, I have some in a few different calibers for reloading.
Most of my ammo & reload supplies were purchased before the covid price skyrocket

Ammo is a type of investment commodity for me
 
Most bad guy encounters are in very close distinces . And if its far im runing away im a fast old man lol plus im street smart i stayout of bad sitations .
 
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