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I'm a newbie to the forum and I'm looking for something to use on my small acreage. If I could keep the power down to one 18650 cell that would be great.
I'd like something for long term; won't overheat and self-destuct; from a manufacturer with a good rep.
Also need battery recommendations and (if possible on this forum) sources for the torch and battery ($$).

I haven't done a lot of research but 2 flashlights caught my eye:
1.) Nitecore MT26
2.) Ultrafire HD2010
If you guys could give me an idea whether I'm on track, your views on these- good or bad - or what you might think is superior, I would really appreciate it.

Question: The Ultrafire HD2010 claims output at 1300 lumens, yet the stated output of an XM-L T6 emitter on flashlightwiki.com is 910-975. What's up with that?

Oh yeah, the checklist:


1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

____I would like to purchase the light from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
_X__I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)

____Less than $25.
____Less than $50.
_X__Less than $100.
____Less than $150.
____Less than $300.
____I have no limit.
____I’m flexible, tell me what you gotJ.
____Other, please specify ________


3) Format:

_X__I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a dive light.
____I want a portable spotlight.


4) Flashlight-specific format/size:

____Keychain size.
____Every day carry small (2-4 inches).
_X__Every day carry medium (4-7 inches).
____Holster carry.
____Big enough to need its own travel case.
____I don’t care.
____I don’t know.
____N/A


5) Emitter/Light source:

_X__LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

_X__I want to buy a light from a traditional mass producing manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
_X__I would consider getting a light that is pieced together (for example a “host” or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a “drop-in” emitter from another source). Under the right circumstances, this path can provide more options to the consumer to meet specific needs, and can often be easily upgradeable as technology improves.


7) What battery type do you want to use?

____I intend to use alkaline batteries (AAA, AA, C, D) (disclaimer, while it does not preclude all choices, these are not recommended for many of today’s most powerful lights)
____I intend to use rechargeable nickel chemistry (NiCad, NiMH, NiZn)
____I intend to use lithium primary batteries (CR123, CR2, Energizer Advanced/Ultimate Lithium AA/AAA)
_X__I intend to use rechargeable lithium (li-ion) chemistry. Feel free to specify a size if you know which size you want (14500, RCR123/16340, 17500, 17670, 18650, etc.)
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery. (Note: these choices may be very limited unless you are looking at spotlights)


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (0-10 lumens).
____I want to walk around an unlit rural area (50-150 lumens).
____I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
____I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
_X__I want ridiculous amounts of lumens (800+ lumens).


9) Throw vs. Flood: At what distance will you be most likely to use this light? Select all that apply.

_X__Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
____5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
____30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
_X__50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I want maximum throw possible)


10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum output).

__X__Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
____3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).


11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A “night-stand” light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
__X__Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't care.
____I don’t know.


12) Switch Type and location (choose all that apply):

____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
____I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today’s high end lights).
_X__I don't care.
____I don’t know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

____A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
_X__I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.) Maybe more, but not that important.
____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Blinks to show location.)
____I want SOS mode.
____I want a beacon mode.
____I don’t care.
____I don’t know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
____Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today’s flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
_X__I don’t care.
____I don’t know.
____Other, please specify____________.


15) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____“Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 
Crelant V9CS? 50+ dollars
Nitecore MT25 60+ dollars
Lumintop Hunter T5 60+ dollars

You can tell a light is a medium thrower if the lux ratings are between 20k to about 30k lux. badass throwers start 40k to 90k and the big boy league starts at 100k and above.
 
I actually am looking for a similar light.

Regarding throw capability, how would the MT26 compare to the MT25 as far as throw capability goes.
The lights seem to have a similar form factor, battery size, and price point with the exception that the MT26 has a higher max. advertised lumen rating (800 vs. 360)

Thanks
EVR
 
Klarus XT11
Olight M21 X

Both are good mid-range throwers. I like the UI (User Interface) on the Klaurs a little more. The on/off switch is on the tail, and the button that changes the output is right next to it.....very nice.
 
Thank you all for the responses, but by "medium" I was just referring to the size of the torch. I'd like something around 800 lumen.
 
4Senens Maelstrom G5 ($58 shipped)
4Sevens Maelstrom X7 ($68 shipped)
4Sevens Maelstrom X10 ($52 shipped)

All from goinggear
 
I actually am looking for a similar light.

Regarding throw capability, how would the MT26 compare to the MT25 as far as throw capability goes.
The lights seem to have a similar form factor, battery size, and price point with the exception that the MT26 has a higher max. advertised lumen rating (800 vs. 360)

Thanks
EVR

The MT25 will out throw the MT26 even though it has 390 lumens because it has a xp-g emitter which will give out a more concentrated beam (therefore itll travel farther) whereas the mt26 has an XML which will throw out a more wider floodier beam hence why it is 800 lumens because it put out so much light, but it doesn't necessarily mean it'll have more throw.
 
Lumen doesn't mean more throw. Laser = low lumen high lux, Floodlight = high lumen, low lux.

All the lights mentioned above are nice throwers. If you want a narrow beam, look for a light with the smaller LED die size.
 
Lumen doesn't mean more throw. Laser = low lumen high lux, Floodlight = high lumen, low lux.

All the lights mentioned above are nice throwers. If you want a narrow beam, look for a light with the smaller LED die size.

Always liked your analogy Gunner! Made it easier to explain to others the difference between the two!

My recommendation is the g25c2 by eagletac, but it is 10 bucks over your 100 dollar budget. it has good throw for a single XML, but it also has a nice flood. Fun light to use in a dark open area.
 
Is there anything that can beat the Lumintop's 32k lux using the same 1x18650 format? I sure would like to know coz i'm looking for the greatest throw in a 1x18650 light that ISNT aspheric.
 
Xeno G42 - Xeno's flagship light, absolutly fantastic build quality, UI is a bit basic though...
The F42 is fairly similar, just without the stainless steel 'bling'!

GM
 
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so it is safe to say the best medium thrower in the lot, for now, is the Lumintop Hunter T5? Hahaha! Thank goodness! I'm waiting for mine to arrive in the mail! :)

If you check out this video, you can see that it nearly beats the Olight M3X which is rated at 40k lux! Thanks to gojipati for the video.


and more info/pics can be found here:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?345298-**NEW**-Lumintop-Hunter-T5-(XP-G2-R5)


That thing is a beast!
 
Thank you all for the responses, but by "medium" I was just referring to the size of the torch. I'd like something around 800 lumen.

800 lumens from a single 18650 typically means you have a short run time/heat build-up, etc. As mentioned, lumens are not a measure of distance/throw...lux at 1 meter is typically considered to be the appropriate measure for that.

If you say you need ~ 50-150 yards range...but not 150+ yard range...A LOT of lights, including the Klarus XT11 (also mentioned above...) become great choices.

Essentially, depending on why/what you are trying to SEE out there...most people find things easier to FIND if the beam is broad and floody.

Using a tightly focused beam to find things way off in the dark is like searching a field while looking through a paper towel tube....only being able to see a little spot at a time, and trying to stitch together a sense of what's out there.

A larger beam gives better context and field of view...so you can see more of what's out there at a time, etc.

Remember all those "prison break" scenes from movies where the giant search light is sweeping back and forth to see the escaping prisoners...and they just avoid it, and the beam sweeps by w/o seeing them?

Same deal if YOU are the guy with the light...a big 'ol flood light that lit up the entire prison yard would show you the escapees in one shot....game over.

:D
 
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800 lumens from a single 18650 typically means you have a short run time/heat build-up, etc. As mentioned, lumens are not a measure of distance/throw...lux at 1 meter is typically considered to be the appropriate measure for that.

If you say you need ~ 50-150 yards range...but not 150+ yard range...A LOT of lights, including the Klarus XT11 (also mentioned above...) become great choices.

Essentially, depending on why/what you are trying to SEE out there...most people find things easier to FIND if the beam is broad and floody.

Using a tightly focused beam to find things way off in the dark is like searching a field while looking through a paper towel tube....only being able to see a little spot at a time, and trying to stitch together a sense of what's out there.

A larger beam gives better context and field of view...so you can see more of what's out there at a time, etc.

Remember all those "prison break" scenes from movies where the giant search light is sweeping back and forth to see the escaping prisoners...and they just avoid it, and the beam sweeps by w/o seeing them?

Same deal if YOU are the guy with the light...a big 'ol flood light that lit up the entire prison yard would show you the escapees in one shot....game over.

:D

I agree. In the beginning of my light journey, it was all about throw. Bc it's fun to see how far a light can travel. But by then, 200..300 meters later how far and how much can really see with the naked eye? I can barely see what's 200 yards ahead of me during the day. That or you really have to pay more attention to details of what's out there.


My klarus xt2c converted me to wide and floody beams. Hence why a zebralight sc600 is on its way to my house. For me, I only need about 50 meters if that in front of me and the sc600 illuminates that and then some. Oh and to the left and right and up and down too.

Now if I need something bigger or "medium" sized I'd get me a sunwayman t20cs. To me it's the all around throw flood wide bright light out there all while its still the size of your hand.
 
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That thing is a beast!

Haha yup! Probably the best XPG2-based thrower for now. Lumintop has since upgraded this with a tailcap side switch to enable the changing of modes from there, plus more modes (3-light modes, 1 strobe).

This is the latest light i have ordered and cant wait to receive it! :)
 
I agree. In the beginning of my light journey, it was all about throw. Bc it's fun to see how far a light can travel. But by then, 200..300 meters later how far and how much can really see with the naked eye? I can barely see what's 200 yards ahead of me during the day. That or you really have to pay more attention to details of what's out there.


My klarus xt2c converted me to wide and floody beams. Hence why a zebralight sc600 is on its way to my house. For me, I only need about 50 meters if that in front of me and the sc600 illuminates that and then some. Oh and to the left and right and up and down too.

Now if I need something bigger or "medium" sized I'd get me a sunwayman t20cs. To me it's the all around throw flood wide bright light out there all while its still the size of your hand.

Interesting you should mention that, have you checked out the good ol' TK35? It's also another medium thrower but since it carries two 18650's has better runtime than its single 18650 counterparts of similar output.
 

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