need help buying flashlight

ravenraven

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hello all, i need help in buying flashlight and here is my checklist, maybe the experts here could help me. Thank you in advance.

1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

__X__I would like to purchase the light from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
____I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! 🙂

____Less than $25.
____Less than $50.
____Less than $100.
____Less than $150.
____Less than $300.
____I have no limit.
____I’m flexible, tell me what you gotJ.
____Other, please specify ________


3) Format:

__X__I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a dive light.
____I want a portable spotlight.


4) Flashlight-specific format/size:

____Keychain size.
____Every day carry small (2-4 inches).
__X__Every day carry medium (4-7 inches).
__X__Holster carry.
____Big enough to need its own travel caseJ.
____I don’t care.
____I don’t know.
____N/A


5) Emitter/Light source:

__X__LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

____I want to buy a light from a traditional mass producing manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would consider getting a light that is pieced together (for example a “host” or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a “drop-in” emitter from another source). Under the right circumstances, this path can provide more options to the consumer to meet specific needs, and can often be easily upgradeable as technology improves.


7) What battery type do you want to use?

__X__I intend to use alkaline batteries (AAA, AA, C, D) (disclaimer, while it does not preclude all choices, these are not recommended for many of today’s most powerful lights)
____I intend to use rechargeable nickel chemistry (NiCad, NiMH, NiZn)
____I intend to use lithium primary batteries (CR123, CR2, Energizer Advanced/Ultimate Lithium AA/AAA)
____I intend to use rechargeable lithium (li-ion) chemistry. Feel free to specify a size if you know which size you want (14500, RCR123/16340, 17500, 17670, 18650, etc.)
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery. (Note: these choices may be very limited unless you are looking at spotlights)


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (0-10 lumens).
__X__I want to walk around an unlit rural area (50-150 lumens).
__X__I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
____I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
____I want ridiculous amounts of lumens (800+ lumens).


9) Throw vs. Flood: At what distance will you be most likely to use this light? Select all that apply.

____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
____5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
____30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
__X__50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I want maximum throw possible)


10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
__X__90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
____3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).


11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A “night-stand” light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't care.
____I don’t know.


12) Switch Type and location (choose all that apply):

____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
____I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today’s high end lights).
____I don't care.
____I don’t know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

____A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
__X__I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Blinks to show location.)
____I want SOS mode.
____I want a beacon mode.
____I don’t care.
____I don’t know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
__X__Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today’s flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
____I don’t care.
____I don’t know.
____Other, please specify____________.


15) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____“Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 
Hi. A single AA light with XP-G will get you around 120 lumens max and be 3 to 4 inches long. That will get you around 90 to 120 minutes of run time on high with Eneloop. And considerably longer run times on medium and low.

A 2AA light might be too long for your every-day carry. They are about 6" long and will get you over 210 lumens (XP-G Led) on max with about the same run time of 90 to 120 minutes depending on brand. XM-L LED will get you 280 lumens on high for same run time.....won't throw any further than XP-G but will light up a wider area.

You didn't mention CR123 lights so I won't go there.

Consider getting two lights...........a single AA light that is a twisty (no tail switch) for small pocket carry......like a Fenix LD15 or my favorite........EagleTac D25A. There are also some tail switch (tactical) single AA lights but they will be slightly longer. I love the iTP SA1 but its bulky
and
a 2AA light with an XM-L LED like the Quark X 2AA. The tactical Quarks are basically a 2-mode light with one mode when the head is tight and the other mode when the head is loose. It still has an on/off switch in the tail. You get to program in which 2 modes out of a total of 8 that it uses. So that way if you never want to see the flashing and strobe stuff, you don't, but can always later be utilized if necessary.

You mentioned about buying local which is kind of problem since most local stores will not carry these lights that are talked about on CPF you might need to consider mail-order or look for deals in CPFM when they come up. There are always coupon codes and various deals from time to time.
 
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You might mention what you are using this light for.
I also didnt see a budget listed.

If you really want a great general purpose light that is extremely impressive and lights up a huge area at a good distance, consider the Fenix TK41. Its about 130 bucks though.
It uses 8 AA batteries, and has 4 different brightness levels up to 900 lumens! You generally don't need that, but it IS nice to have the capability.
It is the size of a 2D maglite approximately. It is really not as big as I thought it would be.
A secondary choice would the be the Olight S65 baton which uses 6xAAs for 100 bucks. The itp A6 Polestar is older for about 70 or less using 6xAAs, but it is more floody than the others and wont have a true LOW mode.


I would recommend getting Eneloop batteries which are low-self discharge. That means they wont poop out after non-use over time like Ni Cads do. You can get a Pack from amazon of 8xAAs with a charger for not too much cash.
Or invest in a Universal Smart charger for optimal charging, and ability to use C,D cells around the house. (tenergy smart charger works well for 30 bucks)


If this seems like too much or you plan to carry it in your pocket a lot, consider the 2xAA light instead.

Go to goinggear and click Flashlights, 2xAA. Then browse the various lights looking for an XP-G or XM-L emitter. I recommend XP-G because it will give the same brightness at the same efficiency for less money. XM-Ls are only good because they can be driven a lot harder...which is a moot point with 2xAAs.

Find a few options, narrow it down based on the USER INTERFACE (clicky, twisty, mode change,, etc), brightness levels (its best to have a good range of them), looks, and price.
Then we can help you choose from there.
 
All these are XPG
Eagletac P20A2 MKII with the XPG module (can change modules instead of buying lights)
Eagletac D25A2 (twisty)
Klarus ST20 (dual switches)
Quark AA (they have alot)
Olight T25
 
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Call goinggear. The quark AA is on sale and is a terrific light. Has XPG and good run time. $10 worth of Costco AA alkalines will keep you going for a really long time.
 
Raven, looks like the guys have given you some good choice 2AA lights to pick from. I only have three 2AA lights Olight T25, iTP SA2 and the Quark X. I've had some others but one thing I like to do is check the run time in my light box setup and graph the output over time. That way I can tell which ones are the most efficient (area under the curve or most run time vs. output).

Now that being said I'll share with you what I have. As I mentioned in the post above, I like the EagleTac D25A single AA light and it has a great runtime efficiency so I'm assuming the EagleTac 2AA's do also. Klarus and Sunwayman are getting popular and I am not familiar with them. Fenix is also a great and has been around longer. Olight, iTP and 4Sevens are all made at the same place.

OK so out of the lights I have, I like them all for different reasons. I like the Olight T25 because of the orange peel reflector and smooth transistion between hot spot and flood. I wish the medium mode was lower though. I find that medium at 50% of high just is too high and your eyes don't really see as much of a difference as does the light meter........so I like medium to be say around 30% of high. That's where the iTP SA2 comes in. It's medium mode is just at the right spot and has a run time of 700 minutes and the output is about half that of the Olight T25 medium. I also love the side switch for changing modes on the SA2. The SA2 is a less expensive light and is probably not as popular. Now one area of the SA2 I don't care for is the reflector is smooth so it has a tighter hot spot and will out throw the T25 though total lumens is about the same. The T25 just uses the twist on/off action of the head to change between 4 modes. I just think its more convenient to push a side button momentarily to change modes than twisting the head on/off.

Now the Quark X is an XM-L led and it puts out 20% more light at high for the same battery power as an XP-G but at medium and low modes its the same efficiency. So an XM-L only benefits if you like high output modes most of the time. The other advantage of the XM-L is the wider beam profile and it has more floody characteristics.........I rather like it personally. But the XM-L tens to be a little more yellow-greenish tint but you only will only notice it if you have a cool-white XP-G to compare on a white wall.

So what happened to me was I bought one light, then I bought another with intent to sell the first but found that I couldn't part with the first and so forth. I tend to favor rear clicky on and off switches on the 2AA lights and leave the twistys for the small single cells lights. That's just my preference but everyone is different. Hopefully when you see what the options are and what other people like that will help in your decision.

The Quark (tactical version) as mentioned above is a great light from the standpoint that you don't have to be bothered with cycling through all the modes including strobe like you do with the Olight T25 and iTP SA2 just to get from one level to the next. I like the beam pattern of the T25 best but like how the other two change modes better. The Quark has 5 output modes very well spaced apart and 3 flash modes...............only two of the eight do you get to program into the light at one time though. Thus for me I have the Quark program with head tight as max and with head loose as medium (3rd brightness level). Some will probably set theirs up with low or moonlight though.

Now if you made it reading this far, you can pick up at Costco til Feb 12th a pack of Eneloop batteries with charger for $20.99 ($5 off). comes with 8 AA batteries and 4AAA batteries plus a Sanyo charger.



 
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While I don't have a light to suggest, I would recommend staying away from brick and mortar purchases, and alkaline batteries, they can leak and ruin your light. Lithium batteries have a much longer shelf life and are less prone to leakage. Also, a price range would allow people to name a few lights within the range you're looking for.
 
Thank you guys, I will try to find the product based on your suggestions, maybe for now I will stay on XP-G led because I think it is enough for me.
 
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