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First off hi all, newbie over here. I used some of the comments and reviews on these forums to inform my last light purchase and have been really happy with it, so thought it was time I joined, particularly so I could ask for help with my next one...

I am a police officer who covers a metropolitan area, having moved a year ago from a rural district. I had a Wolf Eyes M300 as my standard patrol light whilst there, which I loved and still do for its adjustable beam and sturdiness. Plus I'm a bit of a sucker for old technology. I also had an issued 3D cell Maglite, which stayed in the bag unless a risk assessment determined a weapon that doesnt look like a weapon was needed. However when I moved to my new district, my lighting needs changed. I wanted something smaller and lighter but mega bright, and after a bit of research I purchased an EagleTac T20C2 mk II, which I have with both the neutral and cool white drop-ins. It goes on my belt for day and evening shifts, and at night it clips sturdily onto my vest for quick access. This covers the vast majority of my lighting needs excellently, and I am very happy with my choice.

However, having had a bit of time to observe the different behaviour patterns of the 'customers' that we deal with in this area, I have noticed that unless they can hear the helicopter up, they tend to go on their toes across some of the parks and other open spaces dotted about. This allows them to get from one estate to another quicker than a car can. Now I am one of the quicker guys on my section, and can usually catch them if I have sight of them, but with enough headstart to disappear into the darkness it turns into the familiar game of containing rows of houses and calling dogs or the helicopter. This is time consuming, and for me a lot less fun than being able to chase them down myself. For this reason I need a new light that can cover the open spaces they like to disappear into, so I can see exactly which garden they go into or bush they try and hide in. Therefore throw needs to be good, but it will also be used to occasionally search those same areas, so a decent amount of spill would also be preferred. It would be kept in the torch holder of my patrol bag in the back seat of the car, so it does not need to be light, in fact a little bit of weight might come in handy now and then.

I've done a bit of my own research and a few lights seem to jump out at me as possible choices. The first is an EagleTac M2XC4, which although it isnt the most beautiful girl in the club, from what I have seen of the beamshots it does the job well, very well. Plus I have been impressed with the build quality and accessories with my T20C2.

The next is the Fenix TK40, which appears to also be more than bright enough, and I like the look. However, I cannot decide at all whether the AA power source is a good or a bad thing.

I have also looked at the Olight M30 and Jetbeam M1X, both of which appear impressive.

I would really like to hear whatever advice anyone can give me on these lights. I am not a flashaholic (yet), so the numbers and science dont mean a lot to me, but I would love to hear peoples real world experiences with these lights, particularly those who are in the same or similiar line of work. If there are any other lights worth considering as well, please do offer them up, bearing in mind I am in the UK so the bigger the brand the more likely I am to be able to get hold of one. Budget is not so important if the light is right.

Once again hi all, nice to join at last! Look forward to your responses :popcorn:

W.Y.N.I
 
1) Jetbeam RRT-2 with neutral tint and Smooth reflector. Tint will give good color retention and depth field outdoors. Smooth reflector will allow for max throw.

2) A couple AW protect 18650 cells. These are the newer high capacity (2600mAh) cells with flat tops. I have this combo and it works perfectly.

3) Pila IBC charger. More pricey than other Li-Ion chargers but the best of the breed and worth it IMHO.

4) You could add a Maxpedition 5" tube sheath if you desire solid belt carry.

Good Luck.........
 
Thanks for the suggestions pobox, I have actually been using the Pila IBC charger and the AW 2600mah cells in the m300 seeing as the supplied charger was not exactly top quality. I have looked at that light, but I am not sure its really enough of a step up in brightness from my T20C2 to justify buying, although it does seem to have immense throw for its size.
 
W.Y.N.I....since you already have a Pila charger and some AW 18650's, you may want to take a look at the ThruNite Catapult. The new version (V2) spits out 1,000 Lumens, has great throw, and is built like a tank. You can also choose between a SMO and OP reflector for better throw (SMO) or better beam/spill (OP).

Here's CPF'er Selfbuilt's detailed review of the older V1 model Catapult:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=252477
 
Thanks for the suggestions HIDblue and CM2010. The TK30 looks good, and overcomes my reservations about using AA's. However the catapult does appear a beast, and I've found a good UK dealer that says they should get them on the 20th of this month. Hmm...
 
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Thanks for the suggestions HIDblue and CM2010. The TK30 looks good, and overcomes my reservations about using AA's. However the catapult does appear a beast, and I've found a good UK dealer that says they should get them on the 20th of this month. Hmm...

Glad to help W.Y.N.I. Sounds like the newer Catapult V2 versions will also be arriving here in the States around the same time as well.

The TK30 is a nice light as well and has 3 different modes with 6 different outputs, but for my particular needs, I personally prefer the much simpler UI of the new Catapult V2 which has a very utilitarian High-Low mode/output.

The Catapult's V2 stated run times are also a good compromise IMHO:
  • 1.4 hours @ 1,000 lumens
  • 13.5 hours @ 250 lumens
And the Catapults are made of 7075 AL which is solid enough and has enough heft to it that it could be used for self-defense purposes in a pinch...which is not very politically correct in the States but still happens...

You can't go wrong with either, it's just all a matter of personal preference. :thumbsup: And forgot to say :welcome:
Hope this helps...
 
All the suggestions so far are great, not being in law enforcement, i cannot really add much to this but being a Jetbeam M1x (warm) owner, i can say that the M1X with the extender, 2x18650 cells is a hefty light and it's a simple 2 mode light with the 1st mode (head tightened) at max and the 2nd mode (loosened) being fully programmable so you have a choice of min-max, strobes (also programmable) to balance your output vs runtime needs.

You could also take a look at shiningbeam's MG RX-1 a lightweight light with great throw and spill using a 53mm reflector and running on 1x18650 with 3 modes and memory to remember the last mode used. I got one of these for my brother and he loves it.
 
Definitely consider the M1X - it is a great light and has proven to be effective and reliable while carried for patrol. I went out for foot surgery and loaned my M1X to a buddy who works night shift exclusively. He has been thrilled with it and doesn't want to give it back!!

It would work well for you with its impressive throw and still has a good amount of spill also. Running on 2 X 18650s it has excellent runtime. (if you get one make sure and DON'T use flat top 18650s...)

I have mine set on 50% (user adjustable) and of course tightening the head gives you max. Flexible battery options allow 2 x 18650 or 4 x cr123 or 4 x rcr-123.

Catapult looks nice too, although I have no experience with it.

Good luck - stay safe!
 
Cant go wrong with the Catapult its a great light,if you are ordering from flashaholics use code CPF at checkout for 8% discount ive used them alot and always got great service.
 
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Cheers for all the suggestions/advice, who knew a place could exist on the internet where people are so geniunely helpful, I'm sure it breaks some sort of profound rule of the interwebs.

In my mind at the moment the Catapult edges it, with the TK40 and M1X shortly behind. Gonna go with the Catapult V2 when it hopefully comes in stock at flashaholics.co.uk. Cheers for the heads up on the discount CM2010, it almost makes up for you being a northerner :poke:
 
If you could find a retail shop somewhere reasonably near you, you could contact them and head down to test the lights before you buy, it's always better to have the light in your hand, test it out and then make your decision.
 
Cheers for all the suggestions/advice, who knew a place could exist on the internet where people are so geniunely helpful, I'm sure it breaks some sort of profound rule of the interwebs.

It's shocking, isn't it? CPF is quite the extraordinary site. An overwhelming majority of the folks on CPF are intelligent and extremely helpful, and it is rare to see the "troll"ish behavior typical of many other sites. It's also a testament to the CPF Moderators who seem to do an outstanding job of keeping such morons off this forum.

If you could find a retail shop somewhere reasonably near you, you could contact them and head down to test the lights before you buy, it's always better to have the light in your hand, test it out and then make your decision.

+1. Couldn't agree more. :thumbsup:
 
it's always better to have the light in your hand, test it out and then make your decision.
True. But after being educated here I have been happy with all my lights bought from far away places. Thank you to all the truly helpful members here lovecpf...
 
If you could find a retail shop somewhere reasonably near you, you could contact them and head down to test the lights before you buy, it's always better to have the light in your hand, test it out and then make your decision.

Would love to, as I totally agree with this. Unfortunately, as with so much specialised gear, there is a distinct lack of retail shops in the UK, and the one or two places that I could do this would cost me more in diesel to travel to than to buy the flippin light from there anyway!
 
well, be that as it may, there will always be a ready market to sell off the lights that don't suit you, i have made many a nice purchase off the CPFMP, the latest being a nice Novatac 120P (which my missus cannot understand why a light can cost more than USD$110 though she blows more than that on her shoes) :D
 
Would love to, as I totally agree with this. Unfortunately, as with so much specialised gear, there is a distinct lack of retail shops in the UK, and the one or two places that I could do this would cost me more in diesel to travel to than to buy the flippin light from there anyway!

No worries. Same predicament here. There are lots of retail shops around me that carry the standard Surefire, Streamlight, Pelican, Maglite, etc., but none know that I know of that regularly carries Thrunite, Fenix, JetBeam, etc. brands. I happened on a small Olight vendor (1 small table with 5 different Olights) at a local gun show and tested out an M21 Warrior which just basically confirmed everything in the CPF review, but handling the lights and being able to see the output/beams in person gives you a better perspective.

Don't sweat it though. I've bought several lights (JetBeam RRT-2 Raptor, Lumapower D-Mini VX Ultra, Fenix PD20, etc.) based solely on the comprehensive reviews of CPF'ers selfbuilt and csshih and have never regretted the purchases. Their reviews are incredibly comprehensive and always include lots of photos and beamshots.

Let us know what you think when you buy your new Catapult V2, if that's what you decide to get...:thumbsup:
 
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