Nirvana = Elektrolumens + P7 + 18650

jerry i h

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EDC-P7 is hands-down the best torch I have ever held in my hand.
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You really should have one (sadly, EL has a post saying that he is not accepting new orders until 2009; no, mine is not for sale for any price). I used an AW 18650 charged with a DSD,

The size is amazing: the pictures on his website are rather misleading. The torch is the same size as a 2D flashlight w/o the head, and is slightly thinner in the middle where you hold it. Certainly small enough for a large-ish coat pocket or a backpack.

The light pattern is perfect. It does throw many 100's of feet, clear into the next residential block and then some. It is a brilliantly designed mix of aureole and hot spot: for close up tasks, but it still throws like a Napoleonic cannon. This carefully thought out pattern is why EL has become legendary.

The fit and finish is astonishing. The item I got has craftsmanship and quality of the highest professional caliber. I should also say that this puppy is a bargain. EL charges more or less the same price for a P7 m*g mod; the EDC-P7 is an entire custom lathe job. Expect EL to re-offer the EDC-P7, but at a higher price, but still worth every $0.01.

Runtime? Truth or dare, this is my first Li-ion torch. Like the WOF, the Achilles Heal is heat management. After 10 minutes, the body became uncomfortably hot (keep in mind that I am in foodservice, and have been know to take pans out of the oven onto the stovetop with bare hands). After 20 minutes, the body temp was so high, that I turned it off for a few minutes because I feared for the Li-ion's safety. I let it could cool down, because of the high temps to the batts (sadly, I forget to take home the IR thermometer from work, so not sure of temp). Total run time was 45 minutes when I noticed a significant decrease in brightness, at which time I stopped the test.

Edit: for the above temps, I left it on a table top w/o touching it, to accumulate max heat. I re-did the test, but this time holding it in my hand the whole time. From 5 to 20 minutes, there was so much heat that I had to switch hands, but it never became so hot that I had to give up turn off the torch. Keep in mind, though, that I have asbestos hands. You may have to switch hands more often or turn it off, if the heat gets too high. After 25 minutes, the heat generated was not a problem.
 
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Thanks for the info! Can't wait to get mine! So, its not comparable to a 6P in size at all?
 
Thank you kindly jerry for the enthusiastic review of the EDC P7.

A photo of the new light in your hand would be great for sizing purposes... Pretty please.

oregon
 
Well, I would love to accomdate y'all, but ah ain't got no digital camera :)laughing: yeah, and neither do I have cell phone :banghead: ). Fortunately, Wayne does have some beamshots on his website www.elektrolumens.com .

As for size, all I can do is whip out the wooden ruler. It is 5" long. The head is 1 1/2" long and wide. The Barrel is 2 3/4" long and 1 inch wide. The tailcap is 1 1/4" long and wide. When I grip it with my small-ish hands, only 3 fingers fit on the barrel, and the pinkie wraps around the tailcap.

I should also note that this thing is built like a German main battle tank from WW2: thick metal all around, and impossible to hurt. With the batt, it weighs in at 7 1/2 oz (talk about substantial)!!!
 
EDC P7 size.
L to R: Shining beam L mini, Dereelight CL1H v4, MTE P7, Elektrolumens EDC P7, common 2AA flashlight, Fenix L1T v2, L0D CE. My M@g 3C P7 is sitting behind sideways. Note the EDC P7 is tailstanding.
EDCP7size.jpg


EDC P7 fits in Nite-Ize Mini Poc-kets.
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EDC P7 fits in DX's big holster.
EDCP7holsterDX.jpg


Beamshots
EDC P7.
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EDC P7 left, M@g P7 right
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EDC P7 left, MTE P7 right
EDCP7_MTEP7.jpg


EDC P7 left, Ultrafire Q5 14500 right
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EDC P7 left, Dereelight Q2 5A right
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Penguin, I do not have an L4. Cannot comment.

I can confirm the EDC P7 gets hot real fast.
 
In the time it took to take the beamshots the light was very warm. It takes my MTE P7 over 5 minutes to get to the same level of warmth.

I have not run the light on long enough for it to be really hot. Probably I won't either. I have a M@g P7 with a much bigger body, will probably use that for extended runs.
 
Like "Damn, I wish I had an oven mitt" hot or "These callouses from being a woodcutter sure help with this hot light" hot or "My handcream isn't stopping the heat from burning my hands" hot??...
I would say all of the above. It was amazing how fast and how hot the entire torch became after only 5 minutes: even the tailcap got too hot to handle. Course, this is a good sign, proving that Wayne's design efficiently conducts away from the LED for maximum performance, but really hurts your hand.
I would strongly encourage users and potential buyers to consider turning it off for a few minutes to manage the heat build up. Course, this makes it less suitable for LEO's, search/rescue, etc.
 
The MTE is clearly dimmer than the EDC-P7, more than the pictures indicate.

The MTE 5 mode is probably a more practical light. I usually run it in medium and go to high only when I absolutely need it or for doing comparison beamshots.
 
Last night I ran my EDC-P7 last night for some extended periods. For me, indoors, 15 minutes was about it until the heat became uncomfortable. With only 1 level, this is not a long-use light. I didn't really expect it to be. The physics of running a P7, unregulated, in a small light are what they are. No getting around it. I did, however, go for a walk outside with it for about 30 minutes without burning my hands. Of course, it was in the low 20's outside. Turned out to be a nice hand warmer.
 
I have a elektrolumens FT-3C that I just sold, and will be shipping it off tomorrow. On the website elektrolumens claimed it had 72 lumens. I had a seoul led installed, but it didnt appear any brighter, just whiter beam.



Anyway, my question is with this elektrolumens P7 having a claim of 700 lumens. does that mean that it would completely blow my ft-3c away, as far as throw, bigger hot spot, etc?.

Thats a big difference in lumen numbers between the 2.

Any info would be greatly appreciated, cus I desperately need a replacement.


Thanks........
 
FT-3C, 3 'C' Cell Luxeon Star LED Torch. 3W Luxeon Star LED; 72 Lumens

The P7 at 2.8A is measured at 741 lumens by jtr1962.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2668288&postcount=229

So about 10X more light but in 10 minute bursts, ~45 minutes total runtime per battery charge. Note you need 18650 batteries and charger.

The short runtime before the light gets too hot worries me in case I need say a 1/2 hour continuous run. So I think a M@g P7 is better for general use. Or a quality light that lets you run at 1/2 power like the Dereelight DBS V2 w/ 3SM Cree MC-E-M (OP). Wolf eyes & Lumapower also make SSC-P7 lights. (I would stay away from DX. The number of dead P7 lights are rising exponentially)

Another good option for outdoor use is a neutral warm white tint (usually Cree XRE Q2/5A or Q3/5A). Still 2X as bright as the FT-3C but without the excessive blue of typical LEDs giving much better colour rendition.

EDC-P7 left, Ultrafire C3 Q5 with a 3.7V 14500 battery right. This should give some idea of the difference between an EDC-P7 and FT-3C with a P4 upgrade.
EDCP7_Q5.jpg
 
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