I went out in search of a Photon Freedom today and came home with two Princeton Tec Eclipses instead. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yellowlaugh.gif Only reason was because I couldn't find a Freedom. I do kinda like the eclipses, and they were on sale at Cabelas for 5 bucks and change. I got a white and a green. They had some with the metal clip and some with the plastic. I opted for the metal clip, seemed easier to clip to me. Eclipse owners tell me what you like and don't like about em. I have an email into Brightguy for a Freedom, which I really wanted anyway. Thanks for listening!!! Doug /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif