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Joe Talmadge

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Hello folks,

A friend of mine is looking for advice on a rechargeable light. He's a knife dealer, and his distributor also carries Maglite, Streamlight, and Surefire, so those are the three brands to choose from (no Tigerlight, bummer). His use will be both utility and tactical use, but I don't know at this time what his priorities are as far as tactical versus utility (e.g., is tailcap switch a must? Is runtime more important than brightness? How big is he willing to go? Is Surefire-style out-of-light recharging okay?). I don't think my buddy knows himself yet how he'll prioritize things. So, I'm looking for a little help from you guys, most importantly on quality, but any other comments you have to make.

Here are the lights I'll look at with him:

- Magcharger (though I really don't want t support Mag)
- Surefire 8 or 9 series light
- Streamlight 20 or any of the stingers

Most importantly, have we heard any quality problems on any of the above? I have some hazy memories of problems with the Surefire rechargeables.

Beyond that, the Surefire 9 seems like a great option if quality is high and he's willing to spend that much. 20 or 140 lumens on one tactical switch, overall package no bigger than a Tigerlight FBOP. If he wants to keep the light around FBOP-sized lights, the Streamlight Stingers (except the Ultrastinger) all seem to fall in around that size also, and I think they're all well-reviewed.

So, in summary, any comments about quality here would be appreciated. Also, any particularly bad or splotchy beams, or beams not suitable for tactical use, would be appreciated.

Joe
 
I think there were some problems with the SF B90 batteries that have supposedly been fixed now, but there are still a lot of the old B90 batteries out there.

I just recently got the recharger kit for a G2. The extension makes it about the same size as the 8AX, but the G2-P61 beam is superior to the 8AX IMHO. I don't have enough experience to speak about the run time yet.

I'm sure the TL FBOP would outperform all of the SF rechargeables except the 10X Dominator.
 
Ah, that's right, it's the batteries that I'd heard about.

I think the TL is the best thing going here. For simplicity, I'm gong to divide the above lights into two groups for my buddy. Harder to carry (bigger or heavier) than the TL, which is the Mag Charger, SL 20 and UltraStinger, and those that are smaller, the Surefires and all the Stingers except Ultra. I get the feeling he'll end up with a Stinger w/ tactical switch, or one of the Surefires.
 
I have the older 8X and 9N lights. It's a toss up....I like the size of the 8X and the versatility of the 9N. I can use the same batteries in both lights. Runtime is roughly the same. I probably grab the 8X more often because it's lighter. Both are great lights IMO.
Jim
 
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Ah, that's right, it's the batteries that I'd heard about.

I think the TL is the best thing going here. For simplicity, I'm gong to divide the above lights into two groups for my buddy. Harder to carry (bigger or heavier) than the TL, which is the Mag Charger, SL 20 and UltraStinger, and those that are smaller, the Surefires and all the Stingers except Ultra. I get the feeling he'll end up with a Stinger w/ tactical switch, or one of the Surefires.

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If you think he is leaning towards the Stinger Line may I recommend the SL Stinger HP XT. I have the fast charger / piggyback charger setup. It ships with two battery sticks, has the tactical switch on the tail and is purported 3 times brighter than the standard Stinger at a cost of $126!

Dave
 
I carry a Stinger for my primary duty light. Surefire G2Z P61 for weapon light duty.
 
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I know you are not a Mag fan, but the Magcharger with the WA01160 has tremendous output and throw. It is only slightly larger than the regular TL and is smaller than a 4D Mag.

I guess it is still experimental, but I haven't heard many negatives as yet. I think it's output would be in the SF X10 category for a lot less money. It also provides in the cradle charging method just like the TL.
 
Yep, the Mag plus WA01160 sounds awesome. BTW, where do you get the Welch Allyn bulbs? I haven't found them.

It's not that I'm not a Mag fan. It's just that I hate to support them with my $$$. They fail to innovate, and then my $$ go towards them suing the companies that do? Just my own private boycott, not asking anyone to join me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Joe
 
I don't like Surefire rechargeables...I like the Stingers (all models)especially since SL has added a stipled reflector.

The Magcharger with the W/A bulb is a cool set-up, but the W/A bulbs are hard to come by, mainly due to W/A's minimum order amount. On my older magchrager with this bulb, the bulb socket melted from the bulb's heat. I've heard this hasn't been happening on the newer mags...

You could always go with a SL SL-20X with a 35X lamp module, also...


--dan
 
Stinger XT. Nice size, weight. Can regharge extras batteries. Good brightness, and just long enough that if someone refuses to see the light, you can really ring thier bell!
 
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Joe Talmadge said:
... the Mag plus WA01160 sounds awesome. BTW, where do you get the Welch Allyn bulbs? I haven't found them ....

It's not that I'm not a Mag fan. It's just that I hate to support them with my $$$. They fail to innovate, and then my $$ go towards them suing the companies that do? Just my own private boycott, not asking anyone to join me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Joe

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I agree Maglites litigation policies stink ... so I try and buy slightly used units, it at least is not new money for them.

I got a WA01160 from a group buy that Ginseng sponsored, he did a tremendous job and put a lot of effort into it.

I'm trying to buy a single $100 lot of just WA01160's to sell on B/S/T. If I suceed I'll sell them with slight markup, they told me the price is $3.00/each + S&H, which is much more than the $2.19 that Ginseng's GB got them for. I don't know why, maybe Ginseng got a volume discount.
 
I Like the Surefire 9AN I have two of them. I did however just get two A14 adapters and slapped them on my M4 with the MN61 bulb and two B65'? if I got the tech stuff right.
I was happy with that set up although the wife was not amused when I "LIT" her suv up half A block away.
topper
 
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FlashlightOCD said:
The Magcharger with the WA01160 has tremendous output and throw. It is only slightly larger than the regular TL and is smaller than a 4D Mag.

I guess it is still experimental, but I haven't heard many negatives as yet.

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I've been using the MAGWA160 (as I call it) for over a month now and have found no problems at all. I've done four continuous run time tests and have yielded 50-50-40-50 minutes. Two tests were back-to-back and though the flashlight body was hot, no problems.

The WA01160 and WA01111 bulbs are incredible! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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