Shopping for charger/cells

DaveyJones

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Hi, im new to high end flashlights, and it looks like i caught the bug.
well... i regged here, i guess that makes it official :p

anyways im wondering about weather or not to go for lion rechargables,
or stick with primaries (btw why are they called primaries?) and nimh.

i currently own a fenix ld20(q5), running energizer litium disposables,
an olight t10 running cr123a from a dept store. (im guessing relabelled duracell, judging by price :S)
some things im considering getting in the future: quark 123, quark 123-2, quark AA, and perhaps eventually one of those mega 400lm+ lights like the mealstrom series, m30, tk30 etc.
i also want to try a number of AAA based lights such as the fenix ld01 and the preon 1/2.

first off the charger.
i should mention im in europe, and limited to using paypal,
so im primarily looking on ebay atm and the chargers i read about like that pilo one,
or the entire AW brand are nowhere to be found on it.

my budget is up to about $50, and id like it as safe as possible.

so here is one that caught my eye:

http://cgi.ebay.nl/Soshine-Charger-...070?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563df1dfae

Input : DC 12/24v 0.5A (AC-DC adaptor included)
Ouput : DC 4.2v 300mA x2
Compatible 16340/17335/14250/15266/RCR123/RCR2 batteries
Protected or non-protected also compatible
End of charge detection assures the safe and full charging
Short-circuit and over voltage cut off
Complete individual channel with LED charging indication
Reverse polarity protection
Slider design fit CR2 or CR123 size, no adaptor needed
Charging time: (mAh/charging time):
1000/1.8hrs, 800/1.6hrs, 600/1.2hrs
LED indication:
Blue - Standby/Full
Red - Charging
in combination with protected batteries, does this look like a good option for a first timer?
the main priority here ofcourse is safety...

another one i was looking at was the cytac charger on the 4sevens website.
i couldnt find any details on it, and the threads i found were rather techy.
in comparison to the soshine, is it better or worse?
i did notice that it does 14500, so thats an advantage...

as for the cells:
i think ill just get the AW 750mah from the 4sevens website.
everybody seems to consider them the best.
it doesnt list if they are protected though, are they?

also just to see if i understand this correctly:
if i get the right charger + the right cells, the charging procedure would go like this:
[check cells for voltage and amps > if ok then charge, observe weather they get too hot > wait till finished > remove and check cells for voltage and amps> if ok, then use]
did i miss anything?
 

llmercll

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I'm a noobie so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I believe one of the best chargers is the pilla. And AW make great batteries. 14500, 18650, etc
 

DaveyJones

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yeah i saw those AW mentioned in allot of threads, and i can get them from the 4sevens website, but i havent found the pila one yet.
its not on ebay, and i dont use amazon, so im not sure where to get it from.
 

rich297

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yeah i saw those AW mentioned in allot of threads, and i can get them from the 4sevens website, but i havent found the pila one yet.
its not on ebay, and i dont use amazon, so im not sure where to get it from.

Try oveready.com for the Pila charger. You might consider buying AW IMR batteries (red in color) rather than AW (black in color) or any other brand of LiCO cells. IMR batteries have a safer chemistry, don't have or need a protection circuit but have slightly less capacity than LiCO cells. Either way, I would recommend AW cells over all others.
 

DaveyJones

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interesting.

though i just read that leaving a quark mini on max with one of these can cause it to overheat.

am i to understand that u cannot run a light on max untill the battery runs down on any lion without
risking damage to the emitter or worse?

come to think of it, what i'm really looking for is runtime, not so much power.
though power is nice, i dont want it if it means i can hurt me, or worse: damage the light.

maybe i should just stick with nimh and primaries...
 

DaveyJones

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ok so i just read in another thread that rechargable lion cells have a much lower capacity then primaries.
so that prettymuch seals the deal for me, im sticking with primary and nimh.
 

rich297

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interesting.

though i just read that leaving a quark mini on max with one of these can cause it to overheat.

am i to understand that u cannot run a light on max untill the battery runs down on any lion without
risking damage to the emitter or worse?


come to think of it, what i'm really looking for is runtime, not so much power.
though power is nice, i dont want it if it means i can hurt me, or worse: damage the light.

maybe i should just stick with nimh and primaries...


With the Quark Mini, you're not supposed to use any rechargeable 123 battery, too much voltage and yes, the light will overheat. You need to stick to primary batteries. However, any light that can accept a rechargeable cell can accept an IMR cell. However, if runtime is a priority, your best bet is an AW LiCO cell.
 

rich297

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ok so i just read in another thread that rechargable lion cells have a much lower capacity then primaries.
so that prettymuch seals the deal for me, im sticking with primary and nimh.

That's true. Primary batteries give you greater runtimes; lower voltage too.
 

DaveyJones

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yeah one of the things i was thinking was that with lion i could get a quarkAA to behave like a quark123,
but sadly this is very untrue.

oh well, at least primaries are easy to get, and now im ready to strategise my shopping.
thxz for the help :)
 

ponts

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I'm pretty new here as well. I have some Panasonic NCR 18650's 2900mAh that seem to be workign well for me on a WF-139 charger. I think if I had the chance to do it again I would go with a AW protected 18650 cell and Pila charger.
 
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