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I just got a very small shipment (only half of what I've had on order from nearly 6 months ago) of "W2" Bin Coded 5W White Lambertians (High Domes).

Of course one went into the Legend LX with stock reflector which resulted in a fairly wide and soft flood beam, although it still threw three times farther than my LGI keeper which is no slouch, but I sold it being I had no use for yet another flooder, albeit brighter (I need throw at work!).

But seeing that the real 5W power monsters seemed to be best created from the Mags with their excellent reflectors when cut just right in relation to the height of the emitter, I swapped out one of these new HD's with the 5W SE that was in my Mag 2C Space Needle and did some comparison tests.

Here it is with my Turbo McLux (also with just-installed 5W HD W2 Bin Code) along with the brightest 5W mod I ever made with an unusually super bright 5W SE. This should be one hell of a comparison test:

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First I took a beamshot up on my outside patio ceiling, about 12 feet high. The lights were laid on a husk pillow angled upwards in this order (Mag 2D in the center):

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And here are the beam patterns they made:

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Note the significant sidespill from the SE through the Mag 2D's reflector, and how tight the beams are from the HD's of the 2C and McLux Turbo. Note especially how much larger and brighter the hotspot is from the Mag 2C. It should be stated here that both HD emitters were selected from approximately the same range of brightness during the preliminary testing I always perform, before installing them in any lights. Obviously the Mag's reflector is simply better than the SF TurboHead at grabbing more of the available light output from the emission pattern of the Lambertian.

Then I lined them up on the carpet five feet from the wall for the now-standard LLS (Lambda Light Saber) shot:

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And finally the acid test -- I went out back to see what they would do across a small dark valley onto a tree fifty yards away -- and in order of brightness, here are the beams from the Mag 2D (w/super bright SE), the McLux Turbo, and the Mag 2C:

Mag 2D
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McLux
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Mag 2C
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The Mag 2D's more diffused beam made it appear less bright than the McLux Turbo with its tighter TurboHead focused pattern, but the light meter told a different story:

McLux Turbo - 4,400 lux

Mag 2D - 7,020 lux

Mag 2C - 6,850 lux


But those readings were taken from one meter away. 50 yards away is a whole new ball game.

So it would appear that a well-focused High Dome in the big Mag reflector makes for the brightest and longest reaching mod now available.

Introducing: The Space Needle II...
 
Re: The Space Needle II (w/Lambertian 5W)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

My pocket's empty!!!!!!!

W2!

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Nice work, Charlie! I'm sure if you held these guys up for sale, I'm willing to bet they'd be gone within the first 3 hours...
 
Re: The Space Needle II (w/Lambertian 5W)

Awesome Mod MR Bulk!! So, is this going to be available soon? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

ZEPH
 
Re: The Space Needle II (w/Lambertian 5W)

Hmmm, here's my predicament:

1) I only have a few

2) I'm leaving on a trip so no mods for a while anyway

3) I'm in love with them and want to keep them (all)

4) I want to pack them up and take them with me!

So what should I do? If I build more mods and sell them, how much could I reasonably expect to ask for them? How much would people pay? All SN II's would come with a guarantee that at 50 yards (probably much further) there would be absolutely no brighter single-Luxeon light available at this time...
 
Joe,

Perhaps later on; maybe a partial trade of some kind? You'd have to make me one of your impressive drop-in 9P pills!

Anyway no decisions until after I return from our trip April 1st. Thanks for your understanding, and that goes for all those who've been kindly deluging me with e-mails already tonight...!
 
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You know what I like? Even after all the mods you've done, you indeed care and become attached to your work. That of course results in a really fine A++++++++ product that any of us Bulk Alumni will verify!!

Now that's a fine torch!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
 
Ah Yes Sig, I am indeed attached. But do I really need, like -- SEVEN of these?
 
Hey Charlie!

Very Impressive! I missed the fist space needle buy, but I am definitely in on this one! Just lemme know when to paypal!

cheers,

Victor
 
Vic,

If anything happens you will hear it here (or here it hear?) after April 1st...Thanks. I am going to bed now, since it's 2 a.m. here (hear?).
 
Heh... Thanks for updating the timeline on this "possibility"... After April 1st, you're definately guaranteed another repeat buyer if he can jump on it quick enough... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
W2!!! Did you order these HDs in that bin code specifically? If you did, how did you request the bin code??? Who from? Please share...please.
 
Very Nice Charlie! AS USUAL!

How much should you sell them for?
3 for a Dollar!! (Hey, you asked!)

You always offer your products at fair prices, so I will leave the pricing up to you.

(If two years ago I would ever think that a 100 dollar light was a GOOD PRICE, I would have laughed!)
 
i want one! and one of those lx mod things too *winkwink*

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Choua, you're welcome. Stay tuned to this channel.

LEDmodMan, let's just say the Luxeon Lottery was good to me this time around - you cannot specify bin codes on 5Ws yet, only 1Ws, and only if you pony up $2,175.00 plus shipping for an entire reel. And even then you only get to specify the FIRST digit ("Q" or whatever). On the 5W ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances. On mine only a very few were this bright. The rest were average, even from the same reelstrip. That's how the Luxeon Lottery goes.

Bruce, three for a dollar? If you are speaking in "ice jargon" (gotta be a Narco/Vice LEO to know what I mean), then -- ya got a deal!

nqwan, after the stellar results reported here, I wouldn't want to "waste" one in a non-throwing LX again! (although I might try an SE in one later)
 
10-4, 5 by 5, Senor Bulk. That is how I understood the process to be. I thought that maybe you had a "contact" there and were getting some of the sweet stuff. I really wish this darn LS Lottery crap would end, I think it really stinks and is in poor form for any kind of product, especially a $25 - $50 piece of electronics. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Charles, you hit the jackpot this time! I can only hope the 5W SE emitter I recently got is a W binned one, but it is probably just the standard U bin. All I know is that it is amazingly bright on a "test stand".
 
Hey, a "W" SE. I've not seen one of those yet, only in HD. But you never know, best of luck...got a light meter?
 
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MR Bulk said:
Hey, a "W" SE. I've not seen one of those yet, only in HD. But you never know, best of luck...got a light meter?

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I can only hope that's what it is... :fingers crossed:

No light meter unfortunately, but I may send the finished mod I am working on for it over to Craig at The LED Museum for testing after I'm done playing with it. I will finish building it this weekend, as I just got the finished parts today from the machine shop for my "never done before" battery holder. I'll post mod instructions and pics next week.
 
i would have definately bought the legend lx if i knew there was a W2 in there =\. Space Needle 2 looks good, but looks like it definately be very Limited. =\ I take 1 SN II please =).
 
Well I'm glad he's letting us know <font color="green">"AFTER"</font> April 1st and not <font color="red">"ON"</font> April 1st or I'd really be "worried".../ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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