Streamlight SL20X Sleeve Charger on a Timer???

Dennis

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So I got a cool custom super duper LED drop in for my old beat up Patrol SL20x as well as a NiMH 3500mAh battery. I have been using my real RC charger but want to try and keep the light in the wall sleeve constantly so it is ready to use whenever I want it. It trickle charges at about 880mAh so I would get a full charge in about 4 hours, but in the past this constant type charging has killed many a NiCD battery stick.

Would NiMH be more tolerant of this constant trickle charge?

Would putting the charger on a timer make more sense? 4 hours a week? A day?

Does anyone know if the OEM charger will discharge/reverse charge if not powered?

Thanks for any help!

Dennis.

ps. Still getting to know my new drop in but I will post a review after I get some first impressions. Let's just say SUPER FLOODY & SUPER BRIGHT! :D
 
So I got a cool custom super duper LED drop in for my old beat up Patrol SL20x as well as a NiMH 3500mAh battery. I have been using my real RC charger but want to try and keep the light in the wall sleeve constantly so it is ready to use whenever I want it. It trickle charges at about 880mAh so I would get a full charge in about 4 hours, but in the past this constant type charging has killed many a NiCD battery stick.

880mA, not mAH. A charge rate can not be a capacity, and a capacity can not be a charge rate :)

Have you actually tested 880mA from the charger or is this just what it says on it?

Keep in mind there is power lost to heat, and to fully charge and balance out a Nickel chemistry pack requires that there be some over-charge. 4 hours would not completely charge a 3500mAH pack at 880mA charge rate, it would be closer to 5 hours by my guess...

Would NiMH be more tolerant of this constant trickle charge?

NIMH is less tolerant to baking on a constant charge than NiCD, sorry... you'll be best off trying to address the major drawbacks to that charging system if you intend to have that NIMH pack last....

Technically speaking, a trickle charge rate would be ~350mA for a 3500mAH pack... I'm curious, does the charger included with the SL20X actually just keep on charging at 880mA all the time regardless?

Most dummy style charge setups choose a slow enough charge rate that a NiCD stick can sit on it for years without a problem, an 880mA constant charge on a NiCD stick with the capacity of a SL20X's, would indeed ruin a lot of batteries... (Sales Department puts in a request to engineers to design a rechargeable flashlight:.... "but try not to make those batteries last too long... We need to sell yearly replacements to everyone so we can afford another one of those stellar christmas parties on top of a skyscraper"....)

Would putting the charger on a timer make more sense? 4 hours a week? A day?

I do believe this would be a good cheap quick and easy dirty fix and would probably work fine for awhile... The amount of charging time should be based on how much self-discharge the cells have and how often you use it.... Might be kind of hard to determine exactly the best amount of weekly time on the charger is reasonable, so while this option would certainly be better than letting the cells sit there and cook all the time, it's still not great.. I think I'd be tempted to let it charge like 2 hours a week and see how that works out.

Does anyone know if the OEM charger will discharge/reverse charge if not powered?

I doubt it would do anything like that, shouldn't be a problem

Thanks for any help!

Dennis.

ps. Still getting to know my new drop in but I will post a review after I get some first impressions. Let's just say SUPER FLOODY & SUPER BRIGHT! :D

If I may... Have you considered gutting the stock charger sleeve, and wiring up a cheap "smart" charger to it... and putting THAT on a timer to kick on and top of the pack say- once a week? IIRC that's a 5 cell pack... I'd be tempted to wire one of these up to it:
http://www.batteryjunction.com/unsmchfornib.html
give it 2 hours a week on that thing, set to 1.8A charge rate, and it will properly top up the cells each week, (it'll probably only charge for about 30 minutes each week before terminating the charge, depending on how much you use it)....
 
mdocod,

Thanks for all the info!

The 880mA :) is what comes thru to the sleeve charging contacts as measured by my multimeter. However, there is circuitry in both the sleeve and flashlight so I am unsure what actually happens to the battery. Although I am pretty sure there is NO cutoff. I was hoping someone else would know for sure what the circuitry does... ;)

Maybe I'll wire something up and see what actually makes it to the battery, I wouldn't doubt your scenario of battery-killing-cost-inducing-not-really-trickle-charging amperage.

Now wiring up one of the various smart chargers I have lying around to the sleeve is a GREAT IDEA! Might be pretty easy as well since the power cord is modular. I can't remember if my old Maha universals start up automatically on power up, hmmm... Or I guess I could hit the START button everytime I replace the light in the charger.

Thanks again,

Dennis.
 
just remember that if you use an external charger, you need to bypass any circuitry in the sleeve, if there is any.
 
Darn! Turns out there is some circuitry in the light that makes my universal chargers error out...

I looked up the manual and it states that it charges at 220mA, so the circuitry inside the light must step down the amperage. Is this enough to super slow charge a 3500mAh NiMH battery? Can it be left charging for days and weeks at a time at this rate?

Thanks!

Dennis.
 
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220mA is actually really really slow for a 3500mAH pack. A full charge would probably take ~24-30 hours to complete at that rate.

I wouldn't personally leave it to trickle all the time, I would put some sort of timer system on it, maybe 2-3 hours a day at that rate.
 
Thanks for the advice!

Or I could totally gut the switch and bypass everything, hmmm....

:)

Dennis.
 
that would be ideal.... but there are still "issues" that would need to be dealt with to make the setup perfect....

MANY smart pack chargers out there don't actually terminate the charge when it's complete, they too just drop down to a trickle-charge mode, lol... Which puts you right back where you started if you want to be able to leave this thing on the charger all the time without causing premature pack failure....

If it were up to me, with all options at my disposal, I would gut the sleeve, and find a smart charger that terminates completely when the charge is done. And then make a point to pull the flashlight and re-install it on the charger once every few weeks to top off the cells (reset the charging if needed)... Or, alternatively, if one could find one with a VERY slow trickle rate, then the trickle rate might just keep up with the natural self-discharge of the cell and not be as big of a deal... (I'm talking really slow, like 15-30mA, I'm not sure if such a thing is available).
 
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