Surefire 2009 model pricing and avalability updates.
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dano
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Re: Surefire 2009 model pricing and avalibility updates.
June of 2010? Seriously, though, SF has never been reliable with any release dates, so I wouldn't get too excited.
June of 2010? Seriously, though, SF has never been reliable with any release dates, so I wouldn't get too excited.
KDOG3
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Re: Surefire 2009 model pricing and avalibility updates.
I wonder what takes them so long to get them out?
I wonder what takes them so long to get them out?
outersquare
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Re: Surefire 2009 model pricing and avalibility updates.
what about the M3L/M3LT
what about the M3L/M3LT
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maxspeeds
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Re: Surefire 2009 model pricing and avalibility updates.
+2 These are the 2 lights that I'm looking forward to trying out :D
Henk_Lu
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Re: Surefire 2009 model pricing and avalibility updates.
As a european I may have another view on Surefire...
I own an L4 and a U2, my wife another L4, fantastic lights, I wouldn't give them away, very high quality and precision. The only con is the power consumption of the L4, but the time they came out, this was probably normal.
Nowadays, I wonder if they really know what they do. Fenix, perhaps Olight and some small producers sell lights of high quality for a much cheaper price and their models are up-to-date. They begin to sell them normally days after they release the specifications.
OK, they are not quite the quality of Surefire and they don't have the reputation, but this reputation is about to lose its attraction. I wanted to buy the Invictus (UB2 with 400 lumens!!!) and I would have paid 400$ for it, if I could have bought it last year. If it comes now with a gain of one cell and a loss of 50 lumens, I'm just not interested anymore.
I guess Surefire sells to the US Army (and perhaps other armies as well) so that they won't run into problems as it is not very probable those customers will buy chineese stuff, but they surely will lose many customers like me.
Sorry for the same OT as you can read in other threads, you may flame me now, the Invictus just broke my heart and the Fenix TK11-R2 I ordered yesterday out of frustration must serve as glue for it now. Better a TK11 in my hand than an Invictus in the 2008 catalogue... :sigh:
As a european I may have another view on Surefire...
I own an L4 and a U2, my wife another L4, fantastic lights, I wouldn't give them away, very high quality and precision. The only con is the power consumption of the L4, but the time they came out, this was probably normal.
Nowadays, I wonder if they really know what they do. Fenix, perhaps Olight and some small producers sell lights of high quality for a much cheaper price and their models are up-to-date. They begin to sell them normally days after they release the specifications.
OK, they are not quite the quality of Surefire and they don't have the reputation, but this reputation is about to lose its attraction. I wanted to buy the Invictus (UB2 with 400 lumens!!!) and I would have paid 400$ for it, if I could have bought it last year. If it comes now with a gain of one cell and a loss of 50 lumens, I'm just not interested anymore.
I guess Surefire sells to the US Army (and perhaps other armies as well) so that they won't run into problems as it is not very probable those customers will buy chineese stuff, but they surely will lose many customers like me.
Sorry for the same OT as you can read in other threads, you may flame me now, the Invictus just broke my heart and the Fenix TK11-R2 I ordered yesterday out of frustration must serve as glue for it now. Better a TK11 in my hand than an Invictus in the 2008 catalogue... :sigh:
Re: Surefire 2009 model pricing and avalibility updates.
I agree with you 100% Hank (and i live in North America)
I agree with you 100% Hank (and i live in North America)
GPB
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Re: Surefire 2009 model pricing and avalibility updates.
For those that have seen the 2009 catalogue, is there still a high powered LED in the works for the G2/6P ( I think it was called the P61L ) ?
For those that have seen the 2009 catalogue, is there still a high powered LED in the works for the G2/6P ( I think it was called the P61L ) ?
DaFABRICATA
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KDOG3
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Re: Surefire 2009 model pricing and avalibility updates.
I emailed Surefire about a week ago about that, and they said its' still in development, but they don't have a release date yet.
I emailed Surefire about a week ago about that, and they said its' still in development, but they don't have a release date yet.
lyyyghtmaster
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They want to be absolutely certain they get it right because the cost would be far too high otherwise. :poof:
Sgt. LED
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P61L? It is never going to happen. Never :naughty:
Anyway, any "mythic" ship dates for the A2L? I need one of those!
Anyway, any "mythic" ship dates for the A2L? I need one of those!
Sounds to me like Surefire was caught resting on its laurels a couple of years back with a moribund R&D department and got a sharp kick from the new Chinese manufacturers. Hence the rash of new ideas without the resources to actually get them into production.
I understand people's love of Surefire workmanship and vaguely understand the emotions (tho not the reasoning) behind its "made in USA" credentials, but increasingly flashlights are about commodity emitters, drivers and circuits, not about highly-engineered aluminum and switches. I also understand the value of brands like Surefire and Maglite, which require those companies to ensure every new light is perfect, or close to it, so as not to devalue the brand identity.
However, to my eyes, Surefire is heading down the path of obsolesence by not reacting fast enough to new trends and the changing competitive landscape. In the time Surefire takes to push out one new light, the average Chinese high-end light has gone through, what, three iterations? At that pace, every aspect of Surefire's evolution will fall behind competitors... or to be more precise, the competitors will quickly evolve lights that are as good or better than Surefire's. We're not there yet but it won't be long.
Surefire might be saved by the US military contracts and a few "tacticool" fanboys, but at the pace it's evolving it'll soon become irrelevent in the wider consumer markets, if it isn't already. Moreover, it's tardy release dates and product cancellations are tarnishing its brand identity, perhaps more so than a few less than perfect lights would do.
So, please, Surefire, give us some new freakin' lights soon, or at least slap some current emitters in old models to keep us going with better runtimes and output.
Having said all that, I love my E2DL... I just hope Surefire offers a better model in 2010 but I'm not holding my breath.
Just my $0.02 :)
I understand people's love of Surefire workmanship and vaguely understand the emotions (tho not the reasoning) behind its "made in USA" credentials, but increasingly flashlights are about commodity emitters, drivers and circuits, not about highly-engineered aluminum and switches. I also understand the value of brands like Surefire and Maglite, which require those companies to ensure every new light is perfect, or close to it, so as not to devalue the brand identity.
However, to my eyes, Surefire is heading down the path of obsolesence by not reacting fast enough to new trends and the changing competitive landscape. In the time Surefire takes to push out one new light, the average Chinese high-end light has gone through, what, three iterations? At that pace, every aspect of Surefire's evolution will fall behind competitors... or to be more precise, the competitors will quickly evolve lights that are as good or better than Surefire's. We're not there yet but it won't be long.
Surefire might be saved by the US military contracts and a few "tacticool" fanboys, but at the pace it's evolving it'll soon become irrelevent in the wider consumer markets, if it isn't already. Moreover, it's tardy release dates and product cancellations are tarnishing its brand identity, perhaps more so than a few less than perfect lights would do.
So, please, Surefire, give us some new freakin' lights soon, or at least slap some current emitters in old models to keep us going with better runtimes and output.
Having said all that, I love my E2DL... I just hope Surefire offers a better model in 2010 but I'm not holding my breath.
Just my $0.02 :)
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