Surefire 6P LED Defender....any thoughts?

Spl1nter

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Hey guys! I'm pretty newb when it comes to flashlights. I'v had mag lights all my life and been satisfied, until I realized how dim they are compared to a surefire my freind showed me. So I've been looking at what surefire has to offer, knowing they're a brand of quality and have my eyes set on a 6P LED Defender. As far as specs go I dont know how bright 80 lumens really are, or if 11 hours battery life is a sufficient amount of time for a battery to last, and is LED the better way to go. All I know is that looks cool, its a good physical size for EDC and that a strike bezel would always come in handy. So if anyone has the patience for some much needed input and information on this flashlight it would be greatly appreciated. :cool:

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: Surefire 6P LED Defender....any thoughts?

Welcome to the forum man. Let me see if I can get you started on an obsession you won't get away from.

I have nothing against strike bezels this size. It's not adding enough length to matter in the end. If it would come in handy for you, then go ahead. However, you will find a lot of people think it's useless. Remember they speak from their own needs so you have to make sure it's right for you. There is a possibility of them tearing through fabrics over time, so how tight your pants are (given you want to carry it in a pocket) and how it's situated, this might be a problem.

80 lumens is bright enough to overwhelm someones eye sight at a pretty safe distance. It is more than likely enough for 90% of all situations. However, the 6PL Defender uses the P60L LED module. It's just a drop-in that can be replaced with many from the aftermarket. It's not a thrower. It has a pretty decent hotspot, but a lot of spill. So don't expect a thrower, but don't expect it to be all flood. My 4D Maglight could out throw it.

When SureFire said it has an output of 11 hours, they meant until the light completely faded. CPF (Candle Power Forum) members have tested it and confirmed that the P60L will maintain 100% brightness for about 4 hours before it slowly drops in output until it reaches 11 hours. So expect about 4 1/2 - 5 hours of light before you eye might notice a difference.

Remember, it takes 4 times the amount of light for an LED to seem twice as bright. Therefore it can drop a little without your eyes noticing a difference.

LEDs are good in a few ways. They are more efficient for one. Think about this. The 6P has 65 lumens that lasts for about an hour. The 6PL (LED) has 80 lumens that lasts for 4 hours at maximum brightness. LEDs are a lot stronger. A lot. You will be able to drop this thing and know it's going to be able to handle it.

Now, LEDs are also worse in one way that's pretty significant to most. They don't have very good color retention. You will notice that they don't light up browns like they do whites. One member noted a few weeks ago he shined his 200 lumen LED at a river and couldn't see logs floating but another guy shined his incandescant (less lumens) and could spot them easily. The color retention outdoors isn't nearly as good as incandescants. They call it the LED lottery. It's a hit or a miss which tint your going to get. MY 6PL had a cool tint to it. You will only notice this on a white wall for instance. You won't notice it under normal use, but if you go white wall hunting, you will see the coolness. Some people also think LEDs don't allow very much depth perception.

Now before you just start buying:

There are other companies that offer other lights. I'm very SureFire biased and won't buy anything else, but it might not be for you.

There are brighter lights, smaller lights, larger lights, dimmer lights, lights with more modes, lights that function in different ways (ie. reverse clickies), programmable lights (you set the brightness levels), lights with more throw, lights will more flood, etc, etc ,etc.

SureFire is top quality, all of mine have gone to hell and back and work perfect. That said, others will tell you other companies do the same, and I don't doubt it.

Look around the forum, search for a flashlight you might be interested in, and if you can't find anything about something that looks interesting, ask about it.

The 6PLD is a great light and you will not regret it, given it's what your looking for.

So, you might want to take into consideration what type of light best suites you. You might even want to make a new thread about helping you find one and telling people what you would use it for and what you might be looking for. The suggestions will flow.

Good luck, and if this didn't help, I've wasted a lot of time :(
 
Re: : Surefire 6P LED Defender....any thoughts?

Welcome to the forum man. Let me see if I can get you started on an obsession you won't get away from.

I have nothing against strike bezels this size. It's not adding enough length to matter in the end. If it would come in handy for you, then go ahead. However, you will find a lot of people think it's useless. Remember they speak from their own needs so you have to make sure it's right for you. There is a possibility of them tearing through fabrics over time, so how tight your pants are (given you want to carry it in a pocket) and how it's situated, this might be a problem.

80 lumens is bright enough to overwhelm someones eye sight at a pretty safe distance. It is more than likely enough for 90% of all situations. However, the 6PL Defender uses the P60L LED module. It's just a drop-in that can be replaced with many from the aftermarket. It's not a thrower. It has a pretty decent hotspot, but a lot of spill. So don't expect a thrower, but don't expect it to be all flood. My 4D Maglight could out throw it.

When SureFire said it has an output of 11 hours, they meant until the light completely faded. CPF (Candle Power Forum) members have tested it and confirmed that the P60L will maintain 100% brightness for about 4 hours before it slowly drops in output until it reaches 11 hours. So expect about 4 1/2 - 5 hours of light before you eye might notice a difference.

Remember, it takes 4 times the amount of light for an LED to seem twice as bright. Therefore it can drop a little without your eyes noticing a difference.

LEDs are good in a few ways. They are more efficient for one. Think about this. The 6P has 65 lumens that lasts for about an hour. The 6PL (LED) has 80 lumens that lasts for 4 hours at maximum brightness. LEDs are a lot stronger. A lot. You will be able to drop this thing and know it's going to be able to handle it.

Now, LEDs are also worse in one way that's pretty significant to most. They don't have very good color retention. You will notice that they don't light up browns like they do whites. One member noted a few weeks ago he shined his 200 lumen LED at a river and couldn't see logs floating but another guy shined his incandescant (less lumens) and could spot them easily. The color retention outdoors isn't nearly as good as incandescants. They call it the LED lottery. It's a hit or a miss which tint your going to get. MY 6PL had a cool tint to it. You will only notice this on a white wall for instance. You won't notice it under normal use, but if you go white wall hunting, you will see the coolness. Some people also think LEDs don't allow very much depth perception.

Now before you just start buying:

There are other companies that offer other lights. I'm very SureFire biased and won't buy anything else, but it might not be for you.

There are brighter lights, smaller lights, larger lights, dimmer lights, lights with more modes, lights that function in different ways (ie. reverse clickies), programmable lights (you set the brightness levels), lights with more throw, lights will more flood, etc, etc ,etc.

SureFire is top quality, all of mine have gone to hell and back and work perfect. That said, others will tell you other companies do the same, and I don't doubt it.

Look around the forum, search for a flashlight you might be interested in, and if you can't find anything about something that looks interesting, ask about it.

The 6PLD is a great light and you will not regret it, given it's what your looking for.

So, you might want to take into consideration what type of light best suites you. You might even want to make a new thread about helping you find one and telling people what you would use it for and what you might be looking for. The suggestions will flow.

Good luck, and if this didn't help, I've wasted a lot of time :(

Sorry Spl1nter, not wanting to highjack your post,but I wanted to say thank you to Search.

A nice reply, this has helped me a lot, as a new member with out much of a clue, I can always do with a helping hand pointing me a good direction and reading this post and you reply has certainly done that.

Ta Andy :wave:
 
"SureFire is top quality, all of mine have gone to hell and back and work perfect."

thats the type of quality im looking for! :D and from what you've said, the 6p seems a pretty good fit for me. I'm not really going to be taking it camping, but its priority will be edc for my car, around the house, and just an easy access flash light that can stand being bashed around, but still work and be bright. It will be a device I would put in a case, so wearing through my pocket shouldnt be a problem. By "throw" I assume you mean distance or how far it would throw the beam of light? Is 4 to 5 hours a descent amount of time for a battery to last? To be honest I am pretty much sold on the 6p already. I know there wont be a light that'll be able to accomplish every need, but for my everyday needs this light seems to be a sufficient choice. I have already done some outside reaserch on other surefires as well as used a couple hands-on, and I've come to the conclusion that I probably can't go wrong either way with a surefire.

Very awsome . Thank you! that's some great, and I appreciate the time and consideration it took to inform me.
 
Re: : Surefire 6P LED Defender....any thoughts?

Sorry Spl1nter, not wanting to highjack your post,but I wanted to say thank you to Search.

A nice reply, this has helped me a lot, as a new member with out much of a clue, I can always do with a helping hand pointing me a good direction and reading this post and you reply has certainly done that.

Ta Andy :wave:

lol that's good to hear.

To you and Spl1nter:

Here is the Welcome Mat. It has a ton of information you will find useful. It has a lot of information, but it's extremely accurate.
 
Skip the Surefire and go straight to the Malkoff Devices store. Get an MD2 body and an M60/M30 drop-in. You'll save a lot of money in the long run and impress your friends.
 
Spl1nter, welcome to CPF.

If you are sold on a Surefire 6P Defender (strike bezel) or Surefire 6P (non-strike bezel) flashlight and don't mind using the CR123 battery platform, I would recommend the following:

Determine how much brightness you need/want vs how much runtime you want/need. Also a factor to consider is if you want throw or spill from your beam. LED or Incandescent? Warm tint or cool tint?
You can always get spill from a diffuser but can never get more throw than the LED is designed for.

Having been through all this and setting up platforms for friends, I would recommend you get the incandescent version of whatever light you pick (6P or 6P Defender) over the LED versions. The incan version will be $30+ dollars less than the LED version. Use the savings toward an aftermarket LED dropin.

For max brightness get a Malkoff Devices M60. It will put out 235 lumens and have a runtime at full brightness for 1.5 hours.

For medium brightness get a Malkoff Devices M60L. It will put out 140 lumens and have a runtime at full brightness for 4 hours.

For a lower level brightness get a Malkoff Devices M60LL. It will put out 80 lumens and have a runtime at full brightness for 8 hours. It will be the same brightness as the Surefire P60L LED bulb. However, the P60L's beam is much smoother with a nice beam distribution but the M60, M60L and M60LL will give you better throw than the P60L.

For less throw and more spill get the "F' (flood) versions.
They will be characterized as M60F, M60LF, etc.

For a warmer tint than the cooler colored LED's get the "W" (warm) versions.
They will be characterized as M60W, M60WF, etc.


My personal pick is the M60 for everyday general use. It's 235 lumens are bright enough to punch through ambient light sources in an urban/suburban environment and is very bright in less lit up areas.

For navigation outdoors at night in a pitch black environment (starlight/moonlight only) such as hiking, trails, camping, hunting etc. and/or for use as a longer runtime emergency light I would pick the M60LL. It's 80 lumens are more than enough brightness and will last 8 hours on a set of batteries. Add an FM34 diffuser for lots of short range flood.
 
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I have the 6P Defender non LED model with the M60 drop in. Its my favorite light currently puts out a lot of light for its size. What I liked a lot about the 6PD is that it came with a Z59 tail cap that click's on I cant stand having to twist for constant on.
 
JJay03 brings up a good point if you are were planninhg to purchase a clicky tailcap to replace the stock twisty. You get the Z59 clicky standard on the Defender for about half the price of buying it as a single purchase later on.
 
Hi,

I am considering getting a Surefire and have tried to find information about them.
I think I will go for either G2 LED or 6P LED Defender. Both of them are claimed to 80 lumens, but 6P LED Defender has a runtime of 11 hours when G2 LED has 12 hours. Is the reason that 6P LED Defender is regulated and G2 LED isn't?
The same batteries, same (beginning) brightness, but is the regulation the serious difference between them? Just asking to be sure I didn't miss important information.

Thanks for answers, Patric
 
The 6P is a great light!

If you keep it stock it is nice, and if you add a Malkoff it's even nicer! :devil:

I have a link to my beamshots in my sig line, in there you will find beamshots of a 6P with a Malkoff M60 and a stock 6PL which uses the same P60L as the Defender model.

Will be a good idea of what sort of output you are looking for.

:thumbsup:
 
Hi,

I am considering getting a Surefire and have tried to find information about them.
I think I will go for either G2 LED or 6P LED Defender. Both of them are claimed to 80 lumens, but 6P LED Defender has a runtime of 11 hours when G2 LED has 12 hours. Is the reason that 6P LED Defender is regulated and G2 LED isn't?
The same batteries, same (beginning) brightness, but is the regulation the serious difference between them? Just asking to be sure I didn't miss important information.

Thanks for answers, Patric

They both have exactly the same LED module in them, the P60L. There is no difference.

I wouldn't get hung up on the difference between 11 and 12 hours. In reality this is 11 (or 12) hours is not at full brightness. By the 11 or 12 hour mark there isn't much light coming out the front.

I would choose between the 6PL and the G2L based on the aesthetics.
 
having owned both the 6PDL and E2DL, I don't really see any point to the 6PDL, you are better off spending the extra $30 or whatever for E2DL.

The E2DL is much brighter and has better optics, etc.
 
When I am looking around at internet, I found this youtube link, which makes me quite confused. There it actually shows that G2-LED provides 50% output after 3,8 hours! How does that correspond to the statement of regulated output of 50/60 lumens from initial 80 lumens?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it5rfq2Vgt8

Regards, Patric
 
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I bought a 6PDL for use at work and replaced the P60L lamp with one of the R2 dropins from Lumens Factory. It's got a brighter and tighter hotspot than a co-workers Malkoff M60. ;)
 

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