Thoughts on Fenix L0P Special Edition

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On Friday I was lucky enough to get in on one of the last few Fenix L0P SE's . 4 Sevs shipped it out on sat and I received it today. Awesome service , David :naughty:.

I haven't seen the standard L0p and understand that this is about the same with the exception of having the additional output levels and "special edition" written on the side. I got in on the 10% discount so for 35 and change, this is peanuts for the only multilevel AAA luxeon light in production. For someone used to spending over a c note , it's small change. This still might be considered expensive to a newbie here but to me it was a fair price for a nicely made light. The light gives a very good impression of quality and though I think the term is kinda cheesy, "executive " type classiness.

The light levels are well chosen and the order they are activated is very well thought out with an eye on preserving runtime. I'd say that since for me this is a backup light and AAA's are cheap and nimh's can be used . I doubt that I'll do much switching around of the levels, the primary level Fenix says is 12 lumens is a very versatile output.

The tint is very white but tends toward cold which isn't my favorite but the light is very white and as is typical with a good luxeon, there is far less tint than with a nichia CS.

This light definitely strobes the LED to achieve output variations. This is really my only complaint. I generally don't mind PWM but the L0P SE could use some tweaking in the actual pulse frequency or duration because the strobe is a bit too evident and gives me a disconcerting feeling when using. I may be generally sensitve to this and perhaps moreso today and the colder tint may contribute to the effect. I can't say for certain.

As for runtimes , I've no idea. I hope that the regulation has been improved over the standard L0P but I'd be surprised if it is. For the price and the fact that it is the only multilevel 1AAA luxeon light, I think that Fenix is providing alot for the money relative to other players in the market.

Overall, a great light and a nice puchase. The really funny thing is that given that the light is a bit larger and heavier than my E0 dart, I can't decide who will win the keychain spot. I'll really need to see a runtime graph on this little puppy (Thanks Chevrofreak for the great work!!!!). As a backup to my HDS the Dart is great and the L0P a bit redundant with the levels. I will say that some folks really might be able to use the L0P as there only EDC light, not everyone mind you , but many folks. There is no doubt that if your S.O. doesn't mind learning the 3 levels, this is a great light for her keychain.

That's it. Thanks 4 Sevens. And Fenix, you suck cuz I hate to admit, I'm now a Fenix Fan.
 
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How bad is the strobe?
Is it worse than the HDS on low? My eyes aren't the greatest but I can see that quite easily. When I used crt monitors I always used at least 85Hz and that didn't seem adequate sometimes.
Does it affect all levels? I could handle a little strobe on low, but not primary or high.
 
RickyT said:
How bad is the strobe?
Is it worse than the HDS on low? My eyes aren't the greatest but I can see that quite easily. When I used crt monitors I always used at least 85Hz and that didn't seem adequate sometimes.
Does it affect all levels? I could handle a little strobe on low, but not primary or high.

RickyT, the strobe is quite a bit more evident than the HDS on low. I'm generally picky about refresh rates as well but if you've found 85hz inadequate at times, the L0P SE will most likely bother you.

For myself, I don't think that I'll find the PWM characteristics too much of a bother to be terribly concerned about it in the long run. That depends on how much I use the light but I'll try reading by the light for an hour or so and see what I think an let you now.
 
I like mine. I don't notice the PWM in actual use, but if I'm looking for it, yes it's there. Mine is a good warm white color, no "cold" tint whatsoever. The three levels are very useful. Low is great for navigating around a dark house, medium is good all-around and high is good for a boost of light when needed. I really like the wide spill.
 
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I received mine today also. Let me first say I certainly think its worth the ~$35 4Sevens is currently charging for it. I have a MillerMods 2 Stage Arc AAA and I would have not paid for it had the L0PSE been around when I bought it.

Are 3 stages needed? Its hard to tell a real difference between low and primary mode. I'll wait to see what the run-times are, but seriously, Low and High are good enough in my honest opinion.

I wonder if this whole Arc "built like a tank" vs. Fenix "not quite as solid" isn't a bit of a perception issue? I think it is the full body knurling that the Arc has that lends to this perception. I was looking at my Arc AAA which is less than 9 months old and it has wear all over from being on my keyring with my keys and a Leatherman Squirt P4. It has less wear than the Squirt, which isn't HAIII, but its also about 2 years newer too. But my stuff gets used and it looks like it. Has it hurt functionality? Heck no.

(EDIT) I did put a split ring on the light and nothing happened to the finish. It is a possibility that Fenix may have made improvements to its HA... (/EDIT)

So I guess my $0.02 is if you want to pay more for a "pretty" light that is less functional than a Fenix L0PSE, by all means, do so.

But honestly, if you want good Luxeon color rendition over the Nichia blue hue, and variable light output in a AAA sized light, you can't go wrong here for the money.

Its my opinion, and I've had it since the Arc 4+ came out, that we are in such an age where anything less than a 2-stage (Lo-Hi) output on LED lights is a waste of technology and money. I don't want to carry around multiple lights to do the job. I want one, that fits on my key-ring so its there when I need it, that can do 80% of what I need from a light, using a common and cheap battery source, and costs a reasonable amount of money.

Kudos to Fenix for being the first company to mass produce such a light!
 
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I like the differance between primary and low. I think there well thought out. I`m sure some will complain that the low isn`t low enough...but for me it`s great. And I really like the extremly wide beam. Tried a lithium in it, and like it`s older brother (older L0P) it cranks out...to bad there so expensive. Maybe one good thing...on the lower levels I don`t see a differance between the lithium and rechargable, might be some regulation to it...but it could also be that it takes to long to switch the batts and my eye`s/ brain can`t remember/compare that long.

Unless the runtime charts are disapointing...this is the AAA light to have. Excellent for the money.
 
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I received a pair from David Monday evening. The beams differ only slightly-one from the other. One has a slightly larger "hotspot". The color of the beams are exactly the same. The floodlight pattern with a hotspot is and has been my favorite (with the original L0P), as it seems to be the most useful beam pattern for everyday use, and tasks at work. One of the heads was easily seperated for candle use, and the other is proving so difficult, I won't try anymore. The light levels with dark adjusted eyes are perfect. The low, as has been mentioned already, may not be quite low enough for some, but is perfect IMHO. The PWM is really only bothersome if you're looking for it. If you use the light as intended, and not staring at the beam or waving it around, you'll never notice.

Due to the diminutive size, use of a common battery available anywhere, robust construction, and mulitiple light levels, I would have to say this is and will be one of the most useful LED lights produced to date. It may even replace the venerable HDS EDCs for many. Although I enjoy lights with large reflectors, and super long runtime, I much prefer a good combination of decent runtimes, brightness and compact portability. We are fortunate in these times to see such technological advancements as the L0P SE.

Thanks 4Sevens for the prompt service, and the discounts you offer to CPFers! Its very much appreciated!
 
Got mine today as well. Beam very white, high is very impressive. However if one is used to carrying around an Arc such as I am, this is quite a bit bigger so my MillerMod Arc will remain the keychain light.
 
It is hard to believe that you can get all of these features in a light for about $35. Thanks again, David (Fenix store).
 
I got mine today. First impressions are that it is a very nice light. Especially for the price! Color is on the warm side, which is what I like. The PWM is quite noticeable and will be annoying to some, but it doesn't bother me. Levels are easy to operate. Comparing it to my current key chain light, the Baltic, it is significantly smaller. It is shorter and the head is smaller in diameter. It is about as bright on medium as my Baltic (high power) and is brighter on high. The spot is not as tight or as bright as the Baltic, due to the larger reflector of the Baltic. I am going to play with it a few days, but it just may bump the Baltic off the key chain.
 
got mine today and really like it. only concern is it was much harder to twist than my original lop, even after lube. Checked the o-ring compared to the lop's and the spare and it was much larger. changed it out with the spare, lubed, and now works just like the original lop:)
 
Pumaman said:
got mine today and really like it. only concern is it was much harder to twist than my original lop, even after lube. Checked the o-ring compared to the lop's and the spare and it was much larger. changed it out with the spare, lubed, and now works just like the original lop:)

Thanks for sharing, I was wondering why it was so stiff and had a hunch about the o-ring. I think it's important for this flashlight to be easy to twist back and forth with ease because of seeking the right level. You shouldn't have to use two hands.
 
geepondy said:
Got mine today as well. Beam very white, high is very impressive. However if one is used to carrying around an Arc such as I am, this is quite a bit bigger so my MillerMod Arc will remain the keychain light.

Quite a bit bigger?! I have a MM Arc AAA. The length is almost exactly the same. The LOPSE diameter is like 0.5mm larger. The difference in size is certainly not noticeable.
 
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Yeah, I was looking it over again. If you include the lug on the Arc, the LOPSE is only about a quarter of an inch longer but when I added the included keychain hook and put it on the keychain, yes to me, it felt noticeably bigger when it sat in the pocket. But each to his own. Size differences is more bothersome to some then others.

Anarchocap said:
Quite a bit bigger?! I have a MM Arc AAA. The length is almost exactly the same. The LOPSE diameter is like 0.5mm larger. The difference in size is certainly not noticeable.
 
geepondy said:
Yeah, I was looking it over again. If you include the lug on the Arc, the LOPSE is only about a quarter of an inch longer but when I added the included keychain hook and put it on the keychain, yes to me, it felt noticeably bigger when it sat in the pocket. But each to his own. Size differences is more bothersome to some then others.

Oh yeah, that hook they provide is a monster. Ironically, LRI's are small, robust, and relatively cheap. I put them on anything that needs to be detached easily.
http://www.photonlight.com/All-Photon-LED-Flashlight-Accessories-s/56.htm
 
Pumaman said:
got mine today and really like it. only concern is it was much harder to twist than my original lop, even after lube. Checked the o-ring compared to the lop's and the spare and it was much larger. changed it out with the spare, lubed, and now works just like the original lop:)
Pumaman, that's a great tip - I noticed the same difficulty in twisting it, and when I replaced it with the spare o-ring, it became much easier to use. You rock!
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Since I've been using the light the PWM really isn't bothersome at all.

I do think that once you get into this size area, small differences are very noticeable. Not like the difference between a 123 light and a AAA light but still signifigant.
 
Also if there are those that are still considering perhaps this light or a miller mod Arc, the style of output is significantly different. My millermod Arc (non-parabolic reflector) puts out a wall of near light without much difference between the so called hot spot and spill light. It lights up my whole closet with even lighting. The LOPSE has a very noticeable spot and decent spill but nowhere near that of the millermod but will outthrow it easily. The millermod Arc I am comparing it to has a select LED and high is set at 0.75W.
 
I got mine today and I LOVE IT!!!!! I don't see any flickering on the low stage at all unless I shine it at a fan. Anyone who wants a keychain light and buys something else other than this is nuts.
 
I can only imagine what mine will be like reading your posts. Been practicing changing levels on my E1. Has anyone run down a battery yet? Do you still get three progressively dimmer levels as the battery dies, or does it just eventually produce only one light level?

Geoff
 
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