Thoughts on flashlight redundancy

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Bolster

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Don't know how many of you are interested in headlamps & flashlights for emergency / rescue / disaster type work, but I learned something the other day. Herewith my story:

I was part of a CERT exercise last week (community volunteers who do search & rescue, triage, emergency communications, etc). We were supposed to bring our OWN gear. This is drilled into us. I was elected the leader on a S&R team of 5 people, and we were sent two floors down into a darkened parking garage to "rescue" various mannequins. As we started to walk into the darkness, I switched on my headlamp (H501 on helmet). Two of our team complained they had brought no lights (their fault) so we walked close together and shared the 3 lights we had. The other two were those cheap 2D incans.

When we were well into the darkness, we had to look into the distance to spot our 'victims.' My H501w was not up to that task, and neither were the two 2D incans that others had brought. I was frustrated, and then suddenly remembered I'd tossed in a Fenix 1AA handheld, so I fished it out of my pack. That threw into the darkness well, but I had used it for about one second before:

"Haaaaaaaayyyyy, he has TWO flashlights!" came the piercing shriek over my shoulder. Sounded like Rosanne Barr. And the next was a demand by another: "You have two! You have to give her one of yours!"

I did. I was frustrated because she used it to comfort herself in the dark rather than search into the distance to spot victims, and I was back to just my short-range headlamp. The light stealer was one of the least productive people on the team (she just stood around making sarcastic commentary on the exercise), so it was the loss of the best light we had for the effort, but I learned something.

If you are in any sort of situation where flashlights (or anything else) are a valuable resource, and you have PLANNED and others HAVE NOT, you will immediately be set upon by the unprepared and "guilted" into giving up any spares. And since that 1AA Fenix was the best thrower of the lot, people on my team felt I was obligated to hand it over to the person who was complaining the loudest about not wanting to go into the dark. Maybe that made some sort of emotional sense to two of my team members, but it made no objective sense toward achieving our goal.

I managed to retrieve it at the end of the exercise, no worse for the wear, but I learned a valuable lesson about (1) being prepared and how that means you now "owe" the unprepared something; and (2) having two of anything in a situation like that is great personally, but bad mojo socially unless you are prepared to hand it over.
 
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yah - I usually have a Qmini123 in my camelback and its been
ziptied to friends handlebars in "emergency" (their cheap magicshine failed)
to get them back to the car.

thing is.. I have a 16340 in it which I only use on med or low unless I need a
quick blast to spot something and its hard to explain to the person u are loaning
it to that "no you cant use it on high"- which is ~300 on 16340

in my case I look like Im being extra stingy too since my bar light is a C2 running a quad
neutral with ~1200 OTF and a spark ST6 460NW on my helmet.

no good deed goes unpunished
- one of my dads favorites...

the mini123 with 16340 is a GREAT supplemental pocket light BTW
the throw on High is pretty decent.
 
Yeah, it only gets worse as you get into enthusiast's gear that needs to be treated a certain way. So the better your gear the more screwed you are. Not only will it be forcefully "borrowed" but likely ruined when you get it back.

I'm thinking maybe I just go into my next team situation with only ONE of anything.
 
also happens a lot when you hike with inexperienced hikers. that's where a pack of fauxtons come in very handy.
 
I have experienced both working with people who don’t carry a light, pen, paper, etc and then when they need it ask to borrow yours. I have also loaned out rather expensive lights only to get them back with digs in them, batteries run down, paint on the body, etc. I have watched others with my loaned out light leave them the floor switched on after they don’t need them, leave them somewhere or loan them to someone else making me track down my gear. I have also been selected to accomplish a task because I was the only one prepared with the proper equipment and/or working light. I have gone out with others who have a cheap light who's output is pathetic and/or they have a light but the batteries are run down and they have no spares.

I have come to the conclusion that I am not going to be able to be able to change this type of behavior. I try to carry an extra light that I can loan out. This often means having three lights. One for me, a backup for me and one to loan. For USAR, keep a loaner light in your pack. I don’t recommend a total junk light because you are probably relying heavily on that person you loaned the light to in order to accomplish the mission.

Having an equipment check prior to going out is always recommended.
 
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In your particular case I'd say raising the standards for SAR would be in order if people are showing up for SAR with no lights. In a real emergency they would be useless so why train with them in the first place?

I would also agree with the others (and with you)...take two lights for you (at least) and a tough but cheaper light to hand out.

I don't generally walk around prepared for a natural disaster as some people seem to enjoy doing and I'm grateful if someone has something to loan out (pen and paper or whatever) but being on a SAR team and not being prepared seems like a contradiction in terms almost.
 
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Bolster, your comments ring true. I only ever "have one flashlight" on me at any given time unless I am prepared to give others out.

Too often are the unprepared willing to lean on the prepared for help. But how often are the unprepared any help, or more importantly, do they learn their lessons?
 
It's also great how you will get criticized when you spend money on a decent flash light, but you'll quickly become the "go-to" guy when someone needs what they should of been prepared to begin with.
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Thats disgusting, they shouldn't have even been allowed to start the task without proper equipment, they're just a danger to themselves and others. I think volunteer search and rescue should be taken more seriously, one day you all might be called upon to help out in a real situation and you don't want idiots like that getting in the way. I'd have walked out and left them stumbling about in the dark, when they eventually get out with cuts and bruises (maybe some broken bones if we are lucky) they would understand why they need to be prepared.
 
Man, Just reading Bolster's comment got my blood boiling, I have found this with dam near every person I have ever met.

Unprepared, and more than willing to mock you when in groups. I keep everything on me discreetly, all is in pocket only clip showing. I am not made fun of, but more joked about by friends. Yet more than ever so often they ask me for the stuff, once (2 very good friends) needed my light 3 times in a dam row since seeing them, and my knife once. All within visiting 3 times. I thought they got the message, nope..... next time i saw them they asked again why i am so paranoid. Giving the usual reply, I am not parnoid for simply having tools on hand that i use daily, (informed them of their use of my equipment) they laughed and walked away.......

Back to your topic, this disgusts me!
Get those Losers, off the S&R team. If I am injured I don't want their unprepared asses going in to get me, when this is what they signed up for. Dam Im not trying to make this a rant, but I am starting to hate the majority of people out there. Maybe I need to move...... maybe I need to find more people like you guys In actual life, Not a single man or women I know even shares SOME willingness to understand being prepared. Or just ready for everyday life.
 
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That sounds very frustrating but seems like a great opportunity to learn from. Of all the things that you expected from this drill, you probably didn't expect people to show up without flashlights. From what you described the person that you lent the light to might not really learn anything but you at least learned a lot about them. Maybe some of the other people learned the benefits of LED vs Incandescents. I can't imagine people who are interested in search and rescue being so unprepared but it a least gives you an idea what would have happened in a real wold situation. Hopefully there was a chance to debrief after the drill and maybe some of the people learned from the situation. I end up carrying an extra fauxton on my key chain and a bunch cheap lights in the trunk of my car now to help minimize these situations. Usually it feels pretty good to be able to help someone out but on the rare occasion that I have to help someone that is annoying it is nice to know it only cost me around a dollar to shut them up.
 
I am a mean ******* (and am very "guilt resistant"), so I would NOT sacrifice the most useful tool for the job just to pacify a useless member of the team. Although I would have had some fauxtons (to hand out if I thought it justified) - I'm currently carrying 4 for back-up/giveaway purposes. You were prepared, they were not. They need to learn the lesson of consequences. Sometimes team leader needs to make unpopular decisions (but it often helps to explain rationally your reasons).

In a real SHTF situation (ie not an exercise) I would probably keep my "good" lights hidden and only use one fauxton (and only sparingly at that) to avoid others wanting to borrow/take things from me.
 
Thats just the way life is....

Friends poke fun of me everytime we go mountain biking for the stuff I carry and in all honesty I don't carry a lot. Just a small first aid kit, a few tools, map, compass, snacks etc...in a small camelbak

I enjoy the sarcasm I give back when they crash and they need help from me...But in all reality I enjoy helping them, because I get to use my stuff!
 
Man, based on the data in your post, I'd begin to question the mindset of some of these people. My opinion is that emotion does not mix with SAR

I've always been a fan of "A failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine" It's more tailored to a work environment, but I think it would work here as well.
 
Don't take this the wrong way, but as a leader I would put some of the responsibility on your shoulders for allowing a team to go to their task without the proper equipment...

That said, yes, I like to have a backup light for myself, and unless there is imminent hazard to other parties, I am hard *** about not loaning out my gear especially on training exercises - I figure the lesson will be remembered better if they have to make do.
 
Don't take this the wrong way, but as a leader I would put some of the responsibility on your shoulders for allowing a team to go to their task without the proper equipment....

This is not the US military! Teams were formed in the field and leaders were elected last minute, just before we left the gate. Equipment decisions were made as participants prepared at home, before arriving on scene; there was no equipment available on scene. If grounding team members for missing equipment, I would have had to leave 2/5 of my team at the gate for failing to carry flashlights...when chances were good we'd have an above-ground assignment where no flashlights were needed. Plus, the staging area admin did not allow team members to be "fired" off teams by leaders. These are volunteers, not employees.

I think one of the worst jobs in the world is to be a 'leader' of volunteers. You get all the responsibility of a leader with none of the inherent authority of one. You basically cajole your team into action. You only have a carrot. You have no stick.

Our goal was to adapt and overcome, and we did. We completed our part of the job; we rescued our mannequins, got a high score, but had some difficulty finding the 'victims' in the first place due to insufficient light (or more accurately, bad usage of the one good light we had).
 
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I think one of the worst jobs in the world is to be a 'leader' of volunteers. You get all the responsibility of a leader with none of the inherent authority of one. You basically cajole your team into action. You only have a carrot. You have no stick.

Just to digress a moment, I totally understand and appreciate the sentiments in your words. Semper fi. Carry on.:thumbsup:
 
I've come to start telling people that want to borrow my gear how much an item costs. Usually in my carry lights its at least $100+. Once I tell them that they say oh my. Then I say sure you can borrow it but I tell them as long as they are personally responsible for it an if lost or damaged that is what they owe me they tend to say that's ok and decide not to borrow it. If I'm the one in need of another set of eys and its better for my life for my partner to have a light then I'm not as stingy.
 
Geez. THAT's brilliant. Why didn't I think of that. You're right, that totally puts them on the hook for replacement cost. Genius.
 
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