Tiablo A1 ( Updated )

Hitthespot

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Well now that it's dark I got a chance to really take a good look at the three pieces I received yesterday. This has been edited from the post in the Thread Titled "Anyone have the Tiablo A1 yet." Since I started this thread and I now own three of these lights, I thought I would do a Mini review for everyone.

Many pictures have been done in other reviews so I'm skippin this since its 5:00 in the morning.

1) The fit and finish are top notch. I love the way the light feels. Much better looking in person than in the pictures.

2) Didn't need the pocket Clip and it was easily removable. I like that.

3) The Glow in the dark ring on the inside of the glass is a nice touch.

4) Very small and easily fits into a pocket comfortably. Even if you have to wear a suit this light would be small enough to be un-noticeble.

5) Takes one AAA size battery not supplied.

6) Included two extra O-Rings

7) The threads on all three lights were very gritty. A quick clean and some Superlube they were perfect.

8) Orange Peel Reflector. Clean and looked perfect.

9) Listed at 100 Lumens ( See comments below )

10) Twist on switch that worked flawlessly.

11) Rated water resistant to 5M ( approx 15 ft ). Dropped mine in a glass of water ( on ) for 3 minutes. No problems should be fine for wet conditions.

12) Two of the units I received had a much warmer tint than the Cree flashlights I own. They actually were very warm like a bulb. One of the samples was very cool and more blue like the Cree's. My wife liked this one the best so she received that one. Her job sometimes takes her door to door at night and she said this light is all she needs and was excited to receive it.

13) My feelings are still they are bright for an AAA flashlight but Tiablo is grossly over stating the Lumens. I compared them to a Pelican 3C I have rated at 31 Lumens and these A1's are maybe 30 percent brighter. I also compared it closely to the Fenix P2D-Q5 I have with the Fenix on Medium ( rated 55 Lumens ) the Tiablo A1's are a little dimmer. I place them somewhere between 40 and 50 Lumens. Wish I would of had the LOD special edition ( listed at 75 lumens ) to compare them to but I didn't.

IMHO Conclusion: If your looking for a quality, small, fairly bright pocket light, which should last, I would recommend this light. If you are looking for around 100 lumens move on. This light is no where near 100 Lumens, as least as rated by other flashlight companies. I was considering the Tiablo A9 as a purchase next year. It is listed at 256 Lumens. I will be very careful about their rated lumens after the A1 purchase until I'm proven otherwise.

UPDATE: 01/01/08----I thought it only fair to update this review after owning the light for two weeks and since some of it had a negative overtone. The light still looks as good as it did when I bought it and it has been in my pocket or on my keyring since then. The finish is tough! Even though I was originally disapointed in the ACTUAL lumens and over rating this little light has grown on me and is one of my favorite lights now. It wouldn't be my only light in a cave, but it is more than bright enough for most tasks you would ask for in a very small pocket light. The quality of the spot is as good as it is on any of the LED lights I've bought. On a Energizer lithium the battery time is good in my opinion. With present market offerings I would buy this light again if something happed to it........and that says it all. Based on other comments from other users I suspect many feel the same as I and this light has grown on them.

Happy New Year

Bill
 
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Hitthespot, I arrived at the same 40-50 lumen estimation with my Tiablo A1. Even if they were quoting 110 emitter lumens, we should still see a godo 70-80 lumens coming out the front. I don't know why they are quoting 110.
 
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I don't know why they are so far off either on their quoted lumens. I like this light and will keep it but I would have purchased the LOD limited edition or the Avenger if I would have known the lumens were so low. Battery time appears good though. Probably because they are not pushing the LED very hard.

Edited: I think Tiablo needs to state why they are so far off or what their reasoning is for listing this light at 110 lumens. This could become a trust issue for many buyers.
 
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I don't know why they are so far off either on their quoted lumens. I like this light and will keep it but I would have purchased the LOD limited edition or the Avenger if I would have known the lumens were so low. Battery time appears good though. Probably because they are not pushing the LED very hard.

Edited: I think Tiablo needs to state why they are so far off or what their reasoning is for listing this light at 110 lumens. This could become a trust issue for many buyers.

Someone just stated in another A1 topic that they got a 10440 to work, with a lot of light. I would like the OK from Tiablo before trying this myself, or get more feedback from others who have tried this. I'm tempted to try this, I've already busted the clip. :)

It's still a nice light, and mine has a great tint.
 
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Someone just stated in another A1 topic that they got a 10440 to work, with a lot of light. I would like the OK from Tiablo before trying this myself, or get more feedback from others who have tried this. I'm tempted to try this, I've already busted the clip. :)

It's still a nice light, and mine has a great tint.

I will try it too if Tiablo OK's it. As far as the clip goes I will give you mine if you need it. I will be carrying this in my pocket and do not need the clip. If your keeping the light I could mail you the clip. Just pm me your address. Shouldn't cost me more than 75 Cents.

Lets stay up to date on Tiablo's comments on this lumen issue. I'm not real happy about it myself.

Bill
 
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"..Lets stay up to date on Tiablo's comments on this lumen issue. I'm not real happy about it myself. Bill"

Am I missing something here or is their some agreement on the Lumapower Avenger's claimed output of 100 lumens using the Rebel 100...as opposed to the Tiablo's at 110?
Thanks.
 
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Am I missing something here or is their some agreement on the Lumapower Avenger's claimed output of 100 lumens using the Rebel 100...as opposed to the Tiablo's at 110?
Thanks.

The Avenger reaches the 100 lumen max output by using a 3.7 volt 10440 Li-ion rechargable battery. On a regular AAA alkaline or Ni-cad 1.5/1.2volt battery the max output is 55 lumens.

The Tiablo A1 states maximum voltage at 2.7 volts and will not accept the 3.7 volt rechargable battery without modification. ( I believe someone used aluminum foil to reach contact with the head ) With the regular 1.5 volt batteries we have noted the Tiablo is only around 40-50 Lumens. Not the 100 lumens stated. And since it is not listed as accepting the 3.7 volt rechargable battery we are confused how it is suppose to reach the 110 stated lumens. We are waiting for clarification from Tiablo. I think?
 
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If the A1 still runs for 80 minutes on 40-50 lm - that's pretty good for an AAA light.

My "KD Buckle" that puts out more than 50 lumens only maintains high for like 20-30 minutes.

I think I'd go for runtime and toughness in this case.
 
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If the A1 still runs for 80 minutes on 40-50 lm - that's pretty good for an AAA light.

My "KD Buckle" that puts out more than 50 lumens only maintains high for like 20-30 minutes.

I think I'd go for runtime and toughness in this case.

I agree and I don't think anyone would dispute your logic. This is a very good flashlight. However when you grossly exaggerate your claims from approx 45 lumens to 110 lumens ( based on every other light manufacturers way of measuring ) you need to step up to the plate and explain ( or take care of the problem ) or be considered down with the lower tier manufacters in the $15.00 flashlight range. These three A1's cost me $131 with the discount and I paid for 110 lumens, as did everyone else. I'm sorry but some of us feel we were somewhat taken advantage of.
 
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However when you grossly exaggerate your claims from approx 45 lumens to 110 lumens ( based on every other light manufacturers way of measuring ) you need to step up to the plate and explain ( or take care of the problem ) or be considered down with the lower tier manufacters in the $15.00 flashlight range. These three A1's cost me $131 with the discount and I paid for 110 lumens, as did everyone else. I'm sorry but some of us feel we were somewhat taken advantage of.

+1

I was expecting this to be clearly my brightest AAA light, and it doesn't beat my LOD-CE Q4 for total lumen output.
 
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The Avenger reaches the 100 lumen max output by using a 3.7 volt 10440 Li-ion rechargable battery. On a regular AAA alkaline or Ni-cad 1.5/1.2volt battery the max output is 55 lumens.

The Tiablo A1 states maximum voltage at 2.7 volts and will not accept the 3.7 volt rechargable battery without modification. (I believe someone used aluminum foil to reach contact with the head ) With the regular 1.5 volt batteries we have noted the Tiablo is only around 40-50 Lumens. Not the 100 lumens stated. And since it is not listed as accepting the 3.7 volt rechargable battery we are confused how it is suppose to reach the 110 stated lumens. We are waiting for clarification from Tiablo. I think?


Thanks for explaining the above; as this newbie had never before witnessed a max output claim in an AAA light using Li-ion as the only battery tested...and obviously missed it. http://www.batteryjunction.com/avenger.html

Another stupid question...why have I never seen anybody question Fenix's claim of 75 lumens (50% more) in the LOD Q4...when I certainly can't see 50% difference between it and Tiablo? (I bought 10 LOD Q4s on that claim...and ended up lusting after the Tiablo that I had to give my wife! :) I'm not saying that the total output is more with the Tiablo; just that it sure appears to obviously be putting out at least as much or more lumens with its more focused and smaller pattern.
 
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Thanks for explaining the above; as this newbie had never before witnessed a max output claim in an AAA light using Li-ion as the only battery tested...and obviously missed it. http://www.batteryjunction.com/avenger.html

Another stupid question...why have I never seen anybody question Fenix's claim of 75 lumens (50% more) in the LOD Q4...when I certainly can't see 50% difference between it and Tiablo? (I bought 10 LOD Q4s on that claim...and ended up lusting after the Tiablo that I had to give my wife! :) I'm not saying that the total output is more with the Tiablo; just that it sure appears to obviously be putting out at least as much or more lumens with its more focused and smaller pattern.

I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you saying you had both the LOD Q4 and the Tiablo A1 and you know for a fact the Tiablo is brighter? If so I would say if the Tiablo is brighter then Fenix is over stating their 75 lumen claim. As I stated in my review I did not have a LOD limited edition to compare the Tiablo to but from "what I read" the Fenix was over all ( considering spot and spill ) brighter.
 
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I'm not saying that the total output is more with the Tiablo; just that it sure appears to obviously be putting out at least as much or more lumens with its more focused and smaller pattern.

The Tiablo A1's hot spot is brighter than my Fenix LOD-CE Q4's hot spot, but that has nothing to do with total lumen output. The LOD has much more spill, and after doing some bounce tests the Fenix LOD-CE Q4 was putting out about 50 more LUX than the Tiablo A1 on my LUX meter in two different bounce tests in my bounce box (pointed the lights in different areas to reduce the meter picking up on a hot spot). Both times the Fenix was about 50 lux higher.

Fenix claims 75 lumens, which is usually emitter lumens, so actual output is probably somewhere between 50-60 lumens.

Fenix's #'s make sense, Tiablo's A1 numbers do not.
 
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Thanks Wade. That's what I understood from reading elsewhere. Not sure if it was previous posts by you but I knew I had read the Fenix numbers made sense.

My wife and I were looking at our lights (A1) tonight. We are still over all pleased with this light and will keep them. But I'm still not happy about being misled on the Lumen rating. Seems a cheezy marketing ploy to me. Fortunately the rest of the light is top notch. Maybe from these posts ( I'm sure Tiablo has read every comment ) they will be careful about their Lumen claims on future lights. I hope so because if this light is indicative of what they are capable of, I would hate to see them get a bad rap.

Well I'm off this band wagon unless anyone else has specific questions I can help answer. I think we more than drove our message home. I believe this board should always be for learning and sharing and not for specific personal bashing. I don't think I was too harsh though. I try to be objective and not take things personally. I just wanted to state the facts for my CPF brotherin. I think many who read this will be better educated on the A1.

It's time to start saving for my U2 so I can purchase the new version when it comes out. I really got my eye on the Nitecore AA also. I hope that light really is a home run when it finally hits peoples doorsteps. I'm dying for a single AA 180+ Lumen light!

Bill
 
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Rzr800:
"...Another stupid question...why have I never seen anybody question Fenix's claim of 75 lumens (50% more) in the LOD Q4...when I certainly can't see 50% difference between it and Tiablo?....I'm not saying that the total output is more with the Tiablo; just that it sure appears to obviously be putting out at least as much or more lumens with its more focused and smaller pattern..."

I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you saying you had both the LOD Q4 and the Tiablo A1 and you know for a fact the Tiablo is brighter? If so I would say if the Tiablo is brighter then Fenix is over stating their 75 lumen claim..."

I have no idea which is actually brighter (lumens-wise) just that I never read of the Fenix provided 75 lumen figure actually being questioned...which got me all hopped up about the LOD Q4 in the first place (seems like that was 50% more than the last version)...while the Tiablo figures at over 50% more yet (as you guys have been saying) snagged me hook, line and sinker once again.
 
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"...after doing some bounce tests the Fenix LOD-CE Q4 was putting out about 50 more LUX than the Tiablo A1 on my LUX meter in two different bounce tests in my bounce box (pointed the lights in different areas to reduce the meter picking up on a hot spot). Both times the Fenix was about 50 lux higher.."

Thanks for sharing and your more informed data and opinion on both of these.
 
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Rzr800:
"...Another stupid question...why have I never seen anybody question Fenix's claim of 75 lumens (50% more) in the LOD Q4...when I certainly can't see 50% difference between it and Tiablo?....I'm not saying that the total output is more with the Tiablo; just that it sure appears to obviously be putting out at least as much or more lumens with its more focused and smaller pattern..."



I have no idea which is actually brighter (lumens-wise) just that I never read of the Fenix provided 75 lumen figure actually being questioned...which got me all hopped up about the LOD Q4 in the first place (seems like that was 50% more than the last version)...while the Tiablo figures at over 50% more yet (as you guys have been saying) snagged me hook, line and sinker once again.

I see what your saying. What got us worked up is the fact that Fenix states 75 lumens. We realize thats probably at the emitter and the actual output is probably 50 to 60 lumens. Tiablo states 180 lumen emiter and 110 lumen output. So the Tiablo was way off but the Fenix kind of made since to us.

Below is the specs listed on one of the vendors site. As you will see the listed lumens is misleading.

Model: Tiablo A1 Luxeon Rebel LED Flashlight
Housing Material: Aerospace grade T7075 aluminium
LED Output Power: 180 Lumens LED
Flashlight Output and Runtime: 110 Lumens, 80 minutes to 50% output
Lamp assembly: LumiLED's Luxeon Rebel 100 LED
Reflector: Orange Peel Textured
Special Feature(s): Digital Step up and down constant current driver, with high efficiency dual mode DC-DC regulator (PWM / PFM) and over or under currant circuit protection
Working Voltage Range: 0.7V to 2.7V
Battery type: Primary AAA or NiMh/NiCD Rechargeable
Operation: Twist activation
Body diameter: 1.4cm
Length: 7.6cm
Weight: 18.5-gram weight (without battery)
Finish: Type-III Hard Anodize - Natural Color
Water Resistant: Yes, waterproof to 15'
Anti Roll: Yes

Thanks

Bill
 
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Which vendor is claiming 180 emitter lumens, and 110 lumens out the front?
 
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It's just the way it reads if you see my post above. I took it for 180 lumens at the emiter not the emiter would do 180 lumens when I first read it. I had to think about it but after doing so I realized they mean it has an emiter which will put out 180 Lumens but they are only putting out 110 LED Lumens. Which like you said should be 70-80 Lumens out the front. It was just all a little hokey to me. I'm still learning too and lesson learned.

Edited: Actually if you go on Bugoutgears site they say maximum output 180 lumens. The specs above LED Output Power: 180 Lumens LED came from Battery Junction, both of these vendors are favorites of mine and I'm sure their just getting their specs from Tiablo. Lighthound does not mention the 180 lumens in any listing I seen.

Thanks

Bill
 
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