Tiablo A10 R2 WC Review

ernsanada

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I just received the Tiablo A10 R2 WC from Tiablo.

My first impressions is that the A10 is built tough. The light feels very solid. The A10 has very agressive knurling on the battery tube.

The battery tube has very thick walls. It looks like the inside of the battery tube has a brass sleeve inserted.

The fit is excellent. Threads are smooth. The A10 uses some thick o-rings, none of those thin "el cheapo" o- rings. I give the grade A.

The finish is excellent. No flaws in the Black Type III Hard Anodize. The logo are done very good no "blotching". I give the grade A.

The UI wasn't very hard to figure out. The stock A10 uses a reverse clickie. It's 2 stage variable adjustment or Tiablo calls it "Infinite Brightness". The first stage you can adjust the beam from high to low or low to high.

After you click on then click again and hold down the rear clickie for about 3 seconds. The light drops into a low beam and automatically goes into "Infinite Brightness". 1% to 100%, at these levels the light goes to 0%-----100%---50%----1% during this process, the light will flicker twice at 50% output and flicker three times at 100% output. After 100% the light goes the opposite way to low.

Anytime you want to stop a certain light level desired you click once and the A10 will stop at the level and remember that level.

The second click, setting or level you can adjust the level from fast flicker, slower flicker, SOS, low to high, then high back to low. To get into this adjustment mode hold down the rear clickie for 3 seconds. There looks to be a fast blink between SOS then to low to high and a fast blink between high to low. When I was checking the level sequence on my light the fast flicker was starting to get my a little dizzy and a little disoriented. The first light with strobe to do this to me. Maybe it's due to fact I only slept 5 hours last night and just got off work.

When you remove the battery the A10 defaluts to high on the first setting and fast strobe on the second setting.

The beam on my A10 has a nice white hot spot followed by the characteristic ring, mine is yellow in color.

Comparing the hot spot to my Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S the A10 has a smaller hot spot.

The spill on the A10 R2 is not as bright as the Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S.

The A10 gets a slightly higher lux readings compared to my DBS V2 Q5 3S @ 1 meter. When using AW's Protected 18650 vs AW's Protected RCR123' the lux number gets slightly higher lux readings but not by much.

In my beam shots at 96", the stepped down exposure, the Tiablo A10 R2 WC looks like it beats the DBS V2 Q5 3S.

At a distance it's very hard to tell wins the title of the "throw king" but it look like the DBS V2 Q5 3S edges out the Tiablo A10 R2 WC at longer distances 146' or 44.5 meters and 210' or 64 meters in my beam shots. It maybe due to the larger hot spot of the DBS V2 Q5 3S vs the smaller hot spot of the Tiablo A10 R2 WC. Maybe if I run the the 2 AW's Protected RCR 123's in the A10 the the edge may go to the A10.

The A10 uses a GITD o-ring behind the lens.

There are issues with the pill specifications. ma and draw to the R2.

My A10 is getting the battery current draw numbers as follows, AW's Protected 18650 - 1.02A. AW's RCR123's - 1.03A.

Voltage 2.75V to 8.5V


Pros

Excellent build quality, machining and finish.

Uses thick battery tubes with a brass insert.

Uses thick o-rings.

Comes with a spare o-rings, lanyard and GITD rear rubber clickie cover.

Will tail stand.


Cons

Specs are not as advertised.

No holster.

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I just completed a short video on Tiablo's A10 User Interface.

Click on link for Tiablo A10 R2's Users Interface video.


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Comes with lanyard, o-rings and GITD rear switch rubber cover.

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Uses R2 WC

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Rear view of the R2 WC module.

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Reflector size. Width - 5.267mm, Length - 50.17mm

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Lens size. 5.275mm. Thickness 2.45mm

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Agressive knurling on the battery tube. Uses thick o-rings.

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Has a brass sleeve inserted inside the battery tube.

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Inside view of the rear clickie.

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Rear reverse clickie. A forward clickie is being sent to everybody who purchased the light.

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Size comparsions.

Left, Tiablo A10 R2 WC, Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S

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Left, Tiablo A10 R2 WC, Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S

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Reflector

Left, Tiablo A10 R2 WC, Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S

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Left, Tiablo A10 R2 WC, Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S

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I also took lux readings of the lights shown above. These are the lux readings I got. I am using a Meterman LM631 Light Meter measured at 1 meter. I waited 2 minutes before taking the readings. I am using AW's Protected Black 18650's and AW's Protected RCR123's which were fully charged.


Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650 - 21300 lux @ 1 meter

Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 2 RCR123's - 21730 lux @ 1 meter

Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 - 20,767 lux @ 1 meter


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Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650 @ 96"

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Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 96"

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Left, Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650, Right, Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 96"

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Left, Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650, Right, Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 96" Stepped down exposure

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Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650 @ 32'

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Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 32'

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Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650 @ 32' Stepped down exposure

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Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 32' Stepped down exposure

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Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650 @ 146' or 44.5 meters

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Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 146' or 44.5 meters

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Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650 @ 210' or 64 meters

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Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 210' or 64 meters

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Beam shots taken against buildings. At this time distance unknown.


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DBS V2 Q5 3S

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DBS V2 Q5 3S

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I edited these beam shots in. They are the longer of two distances shown above. The shots are stepped down in two groups.


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DBS V2 Q5 3S

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DBS V2 Q5 3S

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Great review, and great camera work! Very easy to see the differences. Thanks for taking the time to do the review, A+!!!:thumbsup:
 
All i can say, i am happy i didn't purchased the A10 and got the RX-1! :D
Νothing special seen, if DBS had a R2 bin then it would be the same result i guess.Also, the hotspot of A10 is very tiny, almost useless for me.
 
Another good review and I like those shrubs in the back yard.

Very solid looking light. Makes the DBS look petite by comparison.

Thanks for the look.
 
:thumbsup:Thanks for your great review!

Merry Christmas

best regards
 
Has anyone else noticed that even on the '100%' the A10 is still utilising PWM and if the beam is moved quickly against a wall, the characteristic 'gap' caused by the PWM becomes apparant.
 
Has anyone else noticed that even on the '100%' the A10 is still utilising PWM and if the beam is moved quickly against a wall, the characteristic 'gap' caused by the PWM becomes apparant.

Yes, and that's how I learnt the meaning of PWM... :laughing: It is quite apparent when comparing the A10 next to my A9 doing the same movement.

Cheers,
Luau
 
Really nice review and usable. real-world beamshots. It's amazing how Dereelight was able to design the DBS to be such a compact, pocketable light with great throw and versatility. Thanks for the comparison.
 
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Hi Ernsnada and thank you for review!
How you measure the current and which DMM you use??
And can you confirm the luxreadings??
I have onother Luxmeter, with other absolut values, but I have a big difference between one and two cells....
Your results are almost the same...!!!???

Jens
 
Hi, this is a copy from my post in the manufacturers corner(post 140) for one week:


Hi, today I dit a runtime test with my A10 and one 18650 with luxreadings

The max lux I got overall (with two cells)was 38000lux

2x 3,0V CR123: 38.000lux
2x 3,6-4,2V RCR: 38.000lux

1x AW18650 2200mAh (real 2000) full charged with 4,2V

at start: 30.000lux
drops quickly, and aproximately 27.000lux after two minutes.

than drops continously/linear from 27.000lux to 3.000 lux (at 3V).
total runtime over 5 hours!

long runtime, but only little power/ brightness......

if you need full power, and I think, this is neccesary for a "thrower" (for reading a book in a tent I have other lights)
you need two cells, and 16340 are dangerous and extrem inefficient in this light, and RC123 are to much expensive for the most flashaholics which used the flashlight every day....

Tiablo, please build a driver with good flat regulation between 3,0 and 4,2 Volt (BR200) for this light (and ACE). I think, the runtime can be 1,5 hour and this is enought for a regulated and extrem bright flashlight in my opinion

Jens
 
Hi Ernsnada and thank you for review!
How you measure the current and which DMM you use??
And can you confirm the luxreadings??
I have onother Luxmeter, with other absolut values, but I have a big difference between one and two cells....
Your results are almost the same...!!!???

Jens

My lux readings seem close to what my beam shots show. Usually at 96" stepped down you can actually see what light is brighter between the A10 R2 and the DBS V2 Q5 3S.

Left, Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650, Right, Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 @ 96" Stepped down exposure

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I got these measurement from my lux meter and current draw from the battteries.

Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 18650 - 21300 lux @ 1 meter. AW's Protected 18650 - 1.02A

Tiablo A10 R2 WC, 2 RCR123's - 21730 lux @ 1 meter. AW's RCR123's - 1.03A


Dereelight DBS V2 Q5 3S, 18650 - 20,767 lux @ 1 meter. AW's Protected 18650 - 1.57A


The lux readings make sense because the readings from the current draw readings from the batteries are very close to what the lux numbers are.


From what I have seen on CPF everybody's light meters vary in reading lux numbers. I guess the only way to get more acurate readings are to use a intergrating sphere but the sphere is so expensive only a few have them.

For the lux measurements I use a Meterman Meterman LM631.

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I'm using a Craftsman Digital Multimeter #82082

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Thanks for the review,

Looking at the beam shots I'm surprised the DBS looks that much brighter and throws a brighter beam at all ranges,if your lux reading are anything to go by.

I guess that's why lux@1m readings alone is not enough to say one throws better than the other IMO
 
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