Peter, I think it would be a good idea to post the list that shows which serial numbers are 1sts vs. 2nds. It's unfortunate that Arc won't be around, so I won't beat that to death, however I really think we need that list to be public knowledge.
To ARC: Please Post 1st vs. 2nd List
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koala
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If Peter want the total number of lights sold undisclosed, he can only post the 2nds or 1sts.
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Agreed. It won't be fun or quick ,but it will be welcome by all.
Gransee
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It's on the list of things to do. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I need to get the hosting setup first.
Peter
I need to get the hosting setup first.
Peter
PeLu
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And at which number did it change from Rev1 to Rev2?
I assume there is one definitive number separating this two Revisions...
I assume there is one definitive number separating this two Revisions...
Turd_Ferguson
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While a somewhat useful list, it's really not that relevant. They are all seconds at this point since there isn't any warranty. Plus, many of the seconds were just firsts that were returned for cosmetic flaws. And probably just as many firsts would be seconds if the owners were picky. Since they are pretty individual in nature, it'll just be important for the seller to be accurate in the behavior and look of the light being sold.
Although, it may make a difference in value to some if they knew the light never made the second list. My brightest light is a second with a better tint but it gets hot quick. My favorite is the first which has a green tint but doesn't get hot at all and is the least brightest of the three. And my least favorite is a Rev 2 second which is an obvious second because the beam fluctuates in brightness at the highest level but on the second level it's still nearly as bright has my first.
Although, it may make a difference in value to some if they knew the light never made the second list. My brightest light is a second with a better tint but it gets hot quick. My favorite is the first which has a green tint but doesn't get hot at all and is the least brightest of the three. And my least favorite is a Rev 2 second which is an obvious second because the beam fluctuates in brightness at the highest level but on the second level it's still nearly as bright has my first.
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TwoGun said:
While a somewhat useful list, it's really not that relevant. They are all seconds at this point since there isn't any warranty. Plus, many of the seconds were just firsts that were returned for cosmetic flaws. And probably just as many firsts would be seconds if the owners were picky. Since they are pretty individual in nature, it'll just be important for the seller to be accurate in the behavior and look of the light being sold.
Although, it may make a difference in value to some if they knew the light never made the second list. My brightest light is a second with a better tint but it gets hot quick. My favorite is the first which has a green tint but doesn't get hot at all and is the least brightest of the three. And my least favorite is a Rev 2 second which is an obvious second because the beam flucuates in brightness at the highest level but on the second level it's still nearly as bright has my first.
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I agree. As of now, it really doesn't make any difference. I purchased 9 ARC flashlights over time and am thankful to have them. Whenever I had a question or placed an order with Arc, it was handled expediciously. There was never a question ARC was a good company to do business with. I think some expected far more perfection than was reasonable at times. Especially cosmetic perfection. Yet, even with returns for such reasons, lights would be exchanged. I have not known many businesses that would honor such complaints. Now that ARC has had to close it's doors, we who have purchased ARC products need to except that what we have is all we'll ever have and when they fail-if they do-we will have to search for a light from a different source. As it was said, 1st and 2nd is moot at this point. Warranty service expires when a company goes out of business. Buyers of anything take this risk and it is a given. Mr. Gransee didn't intentionally want anyone to suffer any loss,of this I am quite sure. Individually, some may have lost something and it's unfortunate. But Mr. Gransee lost everything. And yet even now he is trying to do right by everyone. I, personally ,think he needs some time to regroup and recover and see what the future holds for him and his family. We need to try to put ourselves in his shoes and be understanding and patient. I was always amazed at the involvement Mr. Gransee provided along with manufacturing the ARC flashlights. It seemed quite unusual to me. He gave a lot of himself along with the product he offered. Anyway, recent events have brought change and as with all change we need to make adjustments. I will enjoy the ARC lights I have for as long as I have them. And that will be that. Mr. Gransee has already shown he will do the best he can under the circumstances to close ARC with as few loose ends as possible. But we need to understand there will be some he can do little about and move on...
TwoGun said:
While a somewhat useful list, it's really not that relevant. They are all seconds at this point since there isn't any warranty. Plus, many of the seconds were just firsts that were returned for cosmetic flaws. And probably just as many firsts would be seconds if the owners were picky. Since they are pretty individual in nature, it'll just be important for the seller to be accurate in the behavior and look of the light being sold.
Although, it may make a difference in value to some if they knew the light never made the second list. My brightest light is a second with a better tint but it gets hot quick. My favorite is the first which has a green tint but doesn't get hot at all and is the least brightest of the three. And my least favorite is a Rev 2 second which is an obvious second because the beam flucuates in brightness at the highest level but on the second level it's still nearly as bright has my first.
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I agree. As of now, it really doesn't make any difference. I purchased 9 ARC flashlights over time and am thankful to have them. Whenever I had a question or placed an order with Arc, it was handled expediciously. There was never a question ARC was a good company to do business with. I think some expected far more perfection than was reasonable at times. Especially cosmetic perfection. Yet, even with returns for such reasons, lights would be exchanged. I have not known many businesses that would honor such complaints. Now that ARC has had to close it's doors, we who have purchased ARC products need to except that what we have is all we'll ever have and when they fail-if they do-we will have to search for a light from a different source. As it was said, 1st and 2nd is moot at this point. Warranty service expires when a company goes out of business. Buyers of anything take this risk and it is a given. Mr. Gransee didn't intentionally want anyone to suffer any loss,of this I am quite sure. Individually, some may have lost something and it's unfortunate. But Mr. Gransee lost everything. And yet even now he is trying to do right by everyone. I, personally ,think he needs some time to regroup and recover and see what the future holds for him and his family. We need to try to put ourselves in his shoes and be understanding and patient. I was always amazed at the involvement Mr. Gransee provided along with manufacturing the ARC flashlights. It seemed quite unusual to me. He gave a lot of himself along with the product he offered. Anyway, recent events have brought change and as with all change we need to make adjustments. I will enjoy the ARC lights I have for as long as I have them. And that will be that. Mr. Gransee has already shown he will do the best he can under the circumstances to close ARC with as few loose ends as possible. But we need to understand there will be some he can do little about and move on...
KingSmono
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I disagree... (I think the list is VERY relevant!!) Some were seconds because of that nasty green tint, some were seconds because they drew way too much currient from the battery (inefficiency leads to horrible battery life). Some were seconds because they didn't make full brightness, and some were seconds because not all of the menu options functioned correctly. I would like to know if a light i was considering purchasing (and probably paying a PREMIUM for) exhibits any of these symptoms before I purchase it. If it was good enough for Peter to sell as a FIRST, then I'd feel much better about buying it!
Gransee
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All the serial number data I could get my hands on has now been posted.
Peter
Peter
nikon
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Where is the 1st/2nd list posted?
Nevermind, I found it.
Nevermind, I found it.
treek13
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/awman.gifOne of my Firsts (Arc LSH-P 1104 checked by Odet) didn't make it on to the list.
Pat /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
Pat /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
Gransee
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The data I had wasn't complete. I am sorry.
Peter
Peter
Ok. Whatever you buy from hereon will most likely be preowned. You may be able to confirm by the serial number it was not listed or sold as a '2nd'. But you will have had no control over how it was handled or stored up to the time you purchase it. You may be able to find a dealer who still has ARC stock new in original packaging. Then it probably is a '1st' to begin with. For you, then, it seems to be relevant. But VERY relevant is subjective to me. The character and integrity of the seller will be VERY relevant I think.
You will have to be especially cautious when buying an ARC product from someone other than ARC or an ARC dealer. This is just the nature of the beast. Caveat emptor will be the watchword.
You will have to be especially cautious when buying an ARC product from someone other than ARC or an ARC dealer. This is just the nature of the beast. Caveat emptor will be the watchword.
Turd_Ferguson
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Ok, so that list had a lot of useful information. Didn't know it would have comsumption and brightness levels.
I want ARC4+ #453! DIBS!
I want ARC4+ #453! DIBS!
THE_dAY
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hmm.. there seems to be two #453, i see the one TwoGun is talking about (probably a typo in the lux, can't be 225 can it?) then there is another #453 about 23 numbers above that one.
edit: i also see two #425s..
edit: i also see two #425s..
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