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flownosaj
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Silviron said:
They suspended some 3rd grade kid for three weeks from school over in Las Cruces, NM a couple of months ago for drawing a picture of his father (who is in Iraq) in uniform and carrying a rifle..... They called it "Glorifying and Inciting Violence", and called the U.S Army uniform "Showing Gang Colors".
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WTF!!!!! That teacher would not have lasted long here in TX! Neither would her car, her house, her lawn,....
2dogs--I see what you're saying as he's the studednt in the situation, but "At least you owe an appology to the teacher and MB"? He owes them no appology! If he signed a contract at the beginning of school saying he could have it, then I see no reason, days after the fight, to take it away.
I agree with the idea that if he hit Grant with a book, would they limit his access to books? What about an un-opened can of Pepsi--no more sodas?
It's the timing of the "removal of weapons." If they didn't want him to have it, they should have said something much earlier...
-Jason
Silviron said:
They suspended some 3rd grade kid for three weeks from school over in Las Cruces, NM a couple of months ago for drawing a picture of his father (who is in Iraq) in uniform and carrying a rifle..... They called it "Glorifying and Inciting Violence", and called the U.S Army uniform "Showing Gang Colors".
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WTF!!!!! That teacher would not have lasted long here in TX! Neither would her car, her house, her lawn,....
2dogs--I see what you're saying as he's the studednt in the situation, but "At least you owe an appology to the teacher and MB"? He owes them no appology! If he signed a contract at the beginning of school saying he could have it, then I see no reason, days after the fight, to take it away.
I agree with the idea that if he hit Grant with a book, would they limit his access to books? What about an un-opened can of Pepsi--no more sodas?
It's the timing of the "removal of weapons." If they didn't want him to have it, they should have said something much earlier...
-Jason
2dogs
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"the little voice in my head"?? Friend, naybe you should seek some help regarding your anger. Remember your teacher wasn't going to keep your light. She was trying to do her job by keep all of her class safe by holding your light for a few hours. A few hours, that's all. You can't take back your actions but you can tell your teacher you made a mistake and ask for her forgiveness.
Please think about it. I know you're half way there.
Believe me I've made plenty of mistakes in my life. We all do, that's OK. Sometimes its all in how you handle yourself afterward. You are in my prayers.
BTW I agree with Sasha, report the attack.
Please think about it. I know you're half way there.
Believe me I've made plenty of mistakes in my life. We all do, that's OK. Sometimes its all in how you handle yourself afterward. You are in my prayers.
BTW I agree with Sasha, report the attack.
2dogs
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Aragorn we crossed posts. Accepted. Please accept my hand.
TrevorNasko
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No prob- thanks [hand taken] (though a team of phyciatrists still may be a good thing /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)
Oh yeah - I am the only one in my class - havent hit myself yet.
on a side note : 2 days after the incident with him , grant joined me on an improptu chorus of "Dream" . I was studing dreams in phych and started to sing that tune and from down the hall I heard a answering chorus. loony things are common at my school.
Oh yeah - I am the only one in my class - havent hit myself yet.
on a side note : 2 days after the incident with him , grant joined me on an improptu chorus of "Dream" . I was studing dreams in phych and started to sing that tune and from down the hall I heard a answering chorus. loony things are common at my school.
2dogs, Somehow i disagree with you on at least a few thing. I am not trying to be rude, but how do you know that the teacher are going to "keep" the light for a few hours. Like Flownosaj said, unless they (Aragorn and the teacher) signed a contract saying specific thing about the light, there is no assurance that he going to have his light back by the end of the day. It is true that pride goes before a fall, but if a human lost his pride, he does not have much left. They HAVE to ask for the light earlier!
no offense intended. Just a different point of view.
cheers
no offense intended. Just a different point of view.
cheers
Rothrandir
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glad you and grant are getting along now.
i've heard several stories where worst enemies come to be best friends... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
i've heard several stories where worst enemies come to be best friends... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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...snip... The teachers can have charges filed against them as well for not stopping it. They are accessories.
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In fact, I know a teacher who took to long to breakup a fight (he was just out of the hospital), and he lost his license to tach - aka, he can NEVER be employed as a teacher agin - a real blow when you are 60! It's like saying "Congrats, you'll very work again"
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That's a shame. There's a big difference between "taking too long to break up a fight" as in your friends case, and , from the way Trevor describes it, the neglect shown by his teachers.
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...snip... The teachers can have charges filed against them as well for not stopping it. They are accessories.
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In fact, I know a teacher who took to long to breakup a fight (he was just out of the hospital), and he lost his license to tach - aka, he can NEVER be employed as a teacher agin - a real blow when you are 60! It's like saying "Congrats, you'll very work again"
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That's a shame. There's a big difference between "taking too long to break up a fight" as in your friends case, and , from the way Trevor describes it, the neglect shown by his teachers.
arioch
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During my years in middle and high schools in the '80's, I had seen numerous fights between students where teachers either hesitated to intervene or ignored the situation altogether.
In one instance in my 7th grade, one student was sitting on the chest of another on the ground beating his face in right outside of our science class. The science teacher, who was admittedly a skinny geek, calmly got off of his chair, walked to the door, and closed the door (apparently the noise was disturbing his reading).
Granted in this day and age, unfortunately for instructors and administrators, there is a no win situation. Teachers who try to physically stop fights between students (even in middle and grade schools) run the risk of getting stabbed, shot, or sued (if they hurt the kids). Conversely, they run the risk of getting sued if they don't intervene.
Students these days seem to have less respect for teachers and authority figures in general. Parents, who in the past would have taken the sides of the teachers in a dispute, now threaten lawsuits if any kind of action, justified or not, is taken against their child. Due to this ridiculous parental behavior, disrespectful and disruptive students are forced by threat of legal action to remain in classes, holding back the learning curve of the rest of the class that would actually like to get an education.
Here where I live, a couple of students pushed over a counselor that they felt "looked at him funny" when he tried to walk past them. They made an intentional "roadblock", then knocked him over onto his back, causing two slipped disks in his back. He had to undergo surgery. The two main students involved (brothers) were suspended for 10 days (no police action as of yet). The brothers' parents, instead of apologizing for their childrens' actions, filed a complaint with the school board, claiming the counselor showed their children disrespect by staring at them and trying to push his way past their roadblock. They then got friends and family members to picket in front of the school during the 10 days their children were suspended.
Growing up, if I had been sent home from school with a report of misconduct, I would have received a major @ss kicking from my dad. While I certainly don't condone child abuse or unnecessary physical abuse of anyone, I have found that this "all positive" mentality that has been in place in America for the last 15 years or so doesn't seem to be working in bringing up disciplined young adults.
Aragorn, while none of the above was directed at you, I believe the administration should have given you some notice that your E2 was no longer allowed on campus. I also believe that some type of action should have been taken against the teachers over your earlier assault by this other party. Had I given them my light, I would have demanded a receipt of product, along with a written statement that the item would be returned at the end of the day. I think denying you your books for the weekend seemed vindictive and pointless.
I expect some flames over this post, but wanted to throw my 2 cents in there. There are times when I can only shake my head at the state of affairs of the times ... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon23.gif
In one instance in my 7th grade, one student was sitting on the chest of another on the ground beating his face in right outside of our science class. The science teacher, who was admittedly a skinny geek, calmly got off of his chair, walked to the door, and closed the door (apparently the noise was disturbing his reading).
Granted in this day and age, unfortunately for instructors and administrators, there is a no win situation. Teachers who try to physically stop fights between students (even in middle and grade schools) run the risk of getting stabbed, shot, or sued (if they hurt the kids). Conversely, they run the risk of getting sued if they don't intervene.
Students these days seem to have less respect for teachers and authority figures in general. Parents, who in the past would have taken the sides of the teachers in a dispute, now threaten lawsuits if any kind of action, justified or not, is taken against their child. Due to this ridiculous parental behavior, disrespectful and disruptive students are forced by threat of legal action to remain in classes, holding back the learning curve of the rest of the class that would actually like to get an education.
Here where I live, a couple of students pushed over a counselor that they felt "looked at him funny" when he tried to walk past them. They made an intentional "roadblock", then knocked him over onto his back, causing two slipped disks in his back. He had to undergo surgery. The two main students involved (brothers) were suspended for 10 days (no police action as of yet). The brothers' parents, instead of apologizing for their childrens' actions, filed a complaint with the school board, claiming the counselor showed their children disrespect by staring at them and trying to push his way past their roadblock. They then got friends and family members to picket in front of the school during the 10 days their children were suspended.
Growing up, if I had been sent home from school with a report of misconduct, I would have received a major @ss kicking from my dad. While I certainly don't condone child abuse or unnecessary physical abuse of anyone, I have found that this "all positive" mentality that has been in place in America for the last 15 years or so doesn't seem to be working in bringing up disciplined young adults.
Aragorn, while none of the above was directed at you, I believe the administration should have given you some notice that your E2 was no longer allowed on campus. I also believe that some type of action should have been taken against the teachers over your earlier assault by this other party. Had I given them my light, I would have demanded a receipt of product, along with a written statement that the item would be returned at the end of the day. I think denying you your books for the weekend seemed vindictive and pointless.
I expect some flames over this post, but wanted to throw my 2 cents in there. There are times when I can only shake my head at the state of affairs of the times ... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon23.gif
Quickbeam
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She was trying to do her job by keep all of her class safe by holding your light for a few hours. A few hours, that's all. You can't take back your actions but you can tell your teacher you made a mistake and ask for her forgiveness.
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There is so much wrong with this statement, I don't even to know where to start.
If the teacher had been at all interested in the "safety" of the class, the teacher would have intervened long before Trevor was dragged across the floor by a ruffian and had to defend himself with the closest thing at hand - his light.
Trevor's little flashlight, and as a result Trevor, is being made a scapegoat in a completely ineffectual attempt by the teacher to demonstrate authority following an incident where he/she failed to do so when appropriate. "Saving face" on the part of the staff is an extremely POOR excuse to suspend a student from school. The last thing this pathetic teacher needs is an apology.
"Keep the class safe"? It's a flashlight, not an AK-47! He wasn't going around the room randomly attacking people. How is taking away a flashlight that was used in self defense going to magically "keep the class safe". This is the same foolish line of reasoning that has resulted in the TSA taking away people's nail clippers to "keep the passengers safe"...
End of rant and last post on topic.
She was trying to do her job by keep all of her class safe by holding your light for a few hours. A few hours, that's all. You can't take back your actions but you can tell your teacher you made a mistake and ask for her forgiveness.
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There is so much wrong with this statement, I don't even to know where to start.
If the teacher had been at all interested in the "safety" of the class, the teacher would have intervened long before Trevor was dragged across the floor by a ruffian and had to defend himself with the closest thing at hand - his light.
Trevor's little flashlight, and as a result Trevor, is being made a scapegoat in a completely ineffectual attempt by the teacher to demonstrate authority following an incident where he/she failed to do so when appropriate. "Saving face" on the part of the staff is an extremely POOR excuse to suspend a student from school. The last thing this pathetic teacher needs is an apology.
"Keep the class safe"? It's a flashlight, not an AK-47! He wasn't going around the room randomly attacking people. How is taking away a flashlight that was used in self defense going to magically "keep the class safe". This is the same foolish line of reasoning that has resulted in the TSA taking away people's nail clippers to "keep the passengers safe"...
End of rant and last post on topic.
I think I may be the only guy sitting on the other side of the fence.
but throughout my schooling we got in skimishes and such. It was part of growing up, and we just accepted what was handed out to us by parents and the school, after such incidents.
If I'm on someone elses property, I.E School property, just becuase somthing is not directly included in the rules doesnt mean they cant do anyhting about it. It's their call.
Stirring, via legal matters is not going to make you popular, and all the negativity wont reflect well in your school work. If you want to take action against the individual, fine. But leave the school/teacher alone.
It may not be a very asked question around here, but!, why do you need a torch on your belt in the middle of the day at school? I appreciate the need for an EDC, but why not just stick it in your bag?
Or switch to a smaller keyring type EDC?
I'm afriad it is a weapon, and a good one at that, which you demonstrated yourself. Pocket sticks are devastating lethal weapons in the right hands.
Just to say, Teaching is a super hard job, and teachers aren't super humans, they make mistakes, and are already restricted enough through fear of legal matters to inhibit their jobs enough.
However, one problem I do have is teaches looking through your bag. They werent allowed to do that in our school without our own, or parents permission.
but throughout my schooling we got in skimishes and such. It was part of growing up, and we just accepted what was handed out to us by parents and the school, after such incidents.
If I'm on someone elses property, I.E School property, just becuase somthing is not directly included in the rules doesnt mean they cant do anyhting about it. It's their call.
Stirring, via legal matters is not going to make you popular, and all the negativity wont reflect well in your school work. If you want to take action against the individual, fine. But leave the school/teacher alone.
It may not be a very asked question around here, but!, why do you need a torch on your belt in the middle of the day at school? I appreciate the need for an EDC, but why not just stick it in your bag?
Or switch to a smaller keyring type EDC?
I'm afriad it is a weapon, and a good one at that, which you demonstrated yourself. Pocket sticks are devastating lethal weapons in the right hands.
Just to say, Teaching is a super hard job, and teachers aren't super humans, they make mistakes, and are already restricted enough through fear of legal matters to inhibit their jobs enough.
However, one problem I do have is teaches looking through your bag. They werent allowed to do that in our school without our own, or parents permission.
Rothrandir
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what are you doing here man? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
if they were going to confiscate the light, they should have done it much earlier.
since you can no longer take the e2e to school, you will just have to find a bigger one /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sorridsky said:...why do you need a torch on your belt in the middle of the day at school?...
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what are you doing here man? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
if they were going to confiscate the light, they should have done it much earlier.
since you can no longer take the e2e to school, you will just have to find a bigger one /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
TrevorNasko
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Bigger? HMMMMMM g2zR + GG&G TID (hehehehehe)
And uh - I never said anything about my sueing anyone
And uh - I never said anything about my sueing anyone
BuddTX
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Trevor,
The wording of this is important so pay close attention!
I am going to have to say, you made a wrong decision in not giving the E2e to your teacher.
I am NOT saying that the teacher's argument was right, or that your reasoning was wrong.
We have to listen to authorty figures (Boss, Teachers, Parents, Police, laws), even if they are wrong. There are other ways to correct wrong decisions and actions by these people (and laws).
I would not ever play with your E2e at school. Just keep in in your pouch.
You have to realise, that except for "us wierdo's" here on CPF, most people (not all, but most) do not consider a flashlight to be part of the EDC equipment.
The wording of this is important so pay close attention!
I am going to have to say, you made a wrong decision in not giving the E2e to your teacher.
I am NOT saying that the teacher's argument was right, or that your reasoning was wrong.
We have to listen to authorty figures (Boss, Teachers, Parents, Police, laws), even if they are wrong. There are other ways to correct wrong decisions and actions by these people (and laws).
I would not ever play with your E2e at school. Just keep in in your pouch.
You have to realise, that except for "us wierdo's" here on CPF, most people (not all, but most) do not consider a flashlight to be part of the EDC equipment.
Aragorn, I've followed both threads on your problem at school and I definitely sympathize with your situation. You have been screwed over by both Grant and the school and you are essentially an innocent victum in this situation. It makes me mad just hearing about what has happened to you.
With that said, I will offer a little advice from someone who has been in your shoes and who now has a few more years of experience and hopefully wisdom under his belt. You can't always control how other students treat you or how the administration will enforce the rules, but you can always control how you react to it. It seems to me that you have made a couple of important decisions in this matter in anger and frustration. The facts that you fought back against Grant and resisted the confiscation of your light are both good things, but neither was done with a calm head and the combination got you suspended. That wasn't a good outcome. You should check your temper and choose your battles wisely because the world is full of people who always did "the right thing" and still ended up screwed over in the long run. Don't get so focused on the immediate issue that you lose sight of the big picture.
Please realize that I am not saying that you should not have fought Grant or resisted the confiscation, just that you can pursue these struggles or any others in life with a calm head and using the smartest methods available to you. You are not a teenager any more so playing the role of the teenager with a temper is not going to work for you any longer.
With that said, I will offer a little advice from someone who has been in your shoes and who now has a few more years of experience and hopefully wisdom under his belt. You can't always control how other students treat you or how the administration will enforce the rules, but you can always control how you react to it. It seems to me that you have made a couple of important decisions in this matter in anger and frustration. The facts that you fought back against Grant and resisted the confiscation of your light are both good things, but neither was done with a calm head and the combination got you suspended. That wasn't a good outcome. You should check your temper and choose your battles wisely because the world is full of people who always did "the right thing" and still ended up screwed over in the long run. Don't get so focused on the immediate issue that you lose sight of the big picture.
Please realize that I am not saying that you should not have fought Grant or resisted the confiscation, just that you can pursue these struggles or any others in life with a calm head and using the smartest methods available to you. You are not a teenager any more so playing the role of the teenager with a temper is not going to work for you any longer.
Patrick Hayes
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Aragon,
What school do you go to. I am familar with most schools in Mecklenburg county and can't think of one in Huntersville like you describe. Maybe Academic Illuminations but that doesn't seem quite right as I know they don't allow knives. Are you still scouting as in this saga you mention your Eagle but not being a scoutmaster as you have indicated before. Hope you still are as 19 is a fine troop.
Patrick
What school do you go to. I am familar with most schools in Mecklenburg county and can't think of one in Huntersville like you describe. Maybe Academic Illuminations but that doesn't seem quite right as I know they don't allow knives. Are you still scouting as in this saga you mention your Eagle but not being a scoutmaster as you have indicated before. Hope you still are as 19 is a fine troop.
Patrick
James S
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Aragorn, Hope you're enjoying your day off /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Since you don't have any work to do I hope you're taking advantage of the time off. Perhaps working on a flashlight mod?
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Lovin' it - CPF ALL MORNIN LONG!
ASSM. Mr. Nasko - THATS ME!
Add in that I got the deluxe adapter by mistake for free from IBM and my new "PHILOTE EDC LIGHT" that I assembled and my G2zR sans rings (COOOOOOLLLLL) and the techno beat Rockin' the "phones" I find it hard to believe this is punishment.
No please don't throw me in the brier patch!
ASSM. Mr. Nasko - THATS ME!
Add in that I got the deluxe adapter by mistake for free from IBM and my new "PHILOTE EDC LIGHT" that I assembled and my G2zR sans rings (COOOOOOLLLLL) and the techno beat Rockin' the "phones" I find it hard to believe this is punishment.
No please don't throw me in the brier patch!
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No please don't throw me in the brier patch!
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No please don't throw me in the brier patch!
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