Wagner Brite Lite?
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Your info is crossed up. They are not 4000K, and there is no way to get 4000K color temp from an incandescent filament without faking (colored glass) — The Wagner "LazerBlue" and "TruView" bulbs are the colored-glass fakers with all kinds of dumb claims about better seeing due to "whiter" light. The Wagner Brite Lite is an older +20/+30 bulb line. They're OK, but you can do better. GE Night Hawk, Osram (not Sylvania) Silver Star, Narva Range Power +30 or +50, Philips Xtreme Power, Osram Night Breaker, Toshiba HIR, or something else, depending on what kind of car/lights you're working on.
I read it somewhere that they were 4000k lights, but they are clear, no way will I buy those blue tinted bulbs again, they are junk! I already got me a set of the Brite Lights and they are much better than the Hella's that I had in, they had a slight blue color to them. One thing that I did notice with the Brite lites is that they cast a much wider beam out across the road! So they light up much more!
I have a set of Osram rallye H7's in my wifes car for her low beams and all I can say is WOW!!! I wish they had those in 9007 for my truck!
I haven't seen any GE Night Hawks around here? Where can you order them?
I have a set of Osram rallye H7's in my wifes car for her low beams and all I can say is WOW!!! I wish they had those in 9007 for my truck!
I haven't seen any GE Night Hawks around here? Where can you order them?
Yeah...but the blue-bulb scam continues to be really effective at separating money from those who just really just gotta believe in the magic...take a look right over here!
Strangely enough, it looks like amazon.com (yes, the bookstore site) has the Night Hawks on perpetual sale.
The Osram Rallye H7 is a terrific bulb, best H7 I'm aware of, but I'm kinda glad they don't make it in #9007; most headlamps that use 9007 don't have optics focussed anywhere near precisely enough to avoid producing a whole lot of glare.
Strangely enough, it looks like amazon.com (yes, the bookstore site) has the Night Hawks on perpetual sale.
The Osram Rallye H7 is a terrific bulb, best H7 I'm aware of, but I'm kinda glad they don't make it in #9007; most headlamps that use 9007 don't have optics focussed anywhere near precisely enough to avoid producing a whole lot of glare.
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Which one's best depends on what specific bulb type (H4, 9007, H1, etc.) is under consideration. Some of the Wagner Brite Lite line is repackaged/relabelled Narva Rangepower (the old +30 variety, not the newer +50), some of the Brite Lites are made in-house by Wagner, some are from Asia, etc.
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That's the best 9007 on the market, followed by the GE Night Hawk and Philips Vision Plus. Did you buy them from SUVLites? I haven't seen anyone else offering them, which seems kind of strange.
Whether you'll notice a big difference depends in large part on the optical quality of the headlights you're stuck with...there is no such thing as a bulb that turns bad headlights into good ones. Another thing to check is your headlight wiring, because any underpowered bulb is going to give poor results. And make sure the lights are aimed correctly.
Whether you'll notice a big difference depends in large part on the optical quality of the headlights you're stuck with...there is no such thing as a bulb that turns bad headlights into good ones. Another thing to check is your headlight wiring, because any underpowered bulb is going to give poor results. And make sure the lights are aimed correctly.
How'd you check the voltage? You have to check with both headlights plugged in and turned on. Just unplugging a socket and measuring across it won't tell you anything useful. You can unbend a couple of small paperclips and insert them alongside the wires entering the socket from the rear so they contact the pins, then touch the paperclips with your voltmeter.
The Sport Trac headlights are like a lot of other Ford 9007 headlights: pretty sloppy in the optical department.
The Sport Trac headlights are like a lot of other Ford 9007 headlights: pretty sloppy in the optical department.
Sloppy is a nice way of putting it!:whistle:. Any suggestions on a replacement headlight assembly?
I didn't have the bulbs in, so I'll need to recheck them, I just got my Xtreme Power bulbs today, That was some pretty fast shipping, considering it came from California all the way to Va!:cool:
I didn't have the bulbs in, so I'll need to recheck them, I just got my Xtreme Power bulbs today, That was some pretty fast shipping, considering it came from California all the way to Va!:cool:
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AFAIK there is no real alternative to the factory headlamps on a Sport Trac, you're stuck with what Ford gave you.
I'm still curious/suspicious that SUVlights is the only vendor of 9007XP...does the packaging look real/official? Where do the bulbs say they were made?
I'm still curious/suspicious that SUVlights is the only vendor of 9007XP...does the packaging look real/official? Where do the bulbs say they were made?
I'm curious as well now! The package was a grey case that you had to pull apart from the top while holding the bottom, The packaging/labling looked legit!
I installed them today, and also checked my voltage with the lights on(the Wagners) and it read 12.45.
At first I was pretty dissappointed with the Xtreme Power's as the look was no differant than the Wagners. I took it out on the road after it got dark and on low beam there was little to no diff, from the Brite Lites(maybe a tad more light but nothing significant.. Then I switched to high beam, and the Xtreme Power bulbs were signifigantly better than the Brite Lite bulbs, very significant! All in all I'm fairly happy with the Xtreme bulbs seeing they are twice as good on high beam as any others I've tried, I don't mind as bad since I put H9 xtravisions bulbs in my fog lights, they really work alot better than the H10 bulbs, they are 20w more than the H10's, so they should! And before we get off on stray/scattered light, I've not once been bright lighted because of them, I have them aimed so they won't bother oncoming traffic, I tested it for myself, and other than looking like a whiter/brighter light, the glare is minimal at best.
The one thing I am alittle leary about is on Philips website they talk how they made the bulb smaller, etc.. These 9007 Xtreme power's are alot bigger than the Wagners. They have that special coating on the tip like on the website and all, but they are definately not smaller than the normal 9007. They are actually about the same size as the Hella 9007 bulbs I previously had in before the Brite Lite bulbs. The Hella Bulbs are bigger than other 9007 bulbs I've run!:thinking:
The package looks just like the one in this link!
http://www.suvlights.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Philips+Xtreme+Power
I installed them today, and also checked my voltage with the lights on(the Wagners) and it read 12.45.
At first I was pretty dissappointed with the Xtreme Power's as the look was no differant than the Wagners. I took it out on the road after it got dark and on low beam there was little to no diff, from the Brite Lites(maybe a tad more light but nothing significant.. Then I switched to high beam, and the Xtreme Power bulbs were signifigantly better than the Brite Lite bulbs, very significant! All in all I'm fairly happy with the Xtreme bulbs seeing they are twice as good on high beam as any others I've tried, I don't mind as bad since I put H9 xtravisions bulbs in my fog lights, they really work alot better than the H10 bulbs, they are 20w more than the H10's, so they should! And before we get off on stray/scattered light, I've not once been bright lighted because of them, I have them aimed so they won't bother oncoming traffic, I tested it for myself, and other than looking like a whiter/brighter light, the glare is minimal at best.
The one thing I am alittle leary about is on Philips website they talk how they made the bulb smaller, etc.. These 9007 Xtreme power's are alot bigger than the Wagners. They have that special coating on the tip like on the website and all, but they are definately not smaller than the normal 9007. They are actually about the same size as the Hella 9007 bulbs I previously had in before the Brite Lite bulbs. The Hella Bulbs are bigger than other 9007 bulbs I've run!:thinking:
The package looks just like the one in this link!
http://www.suvlights.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Philips+Xtreme+Power
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12.45 is kinda low; your headlights would probably work significantly better with relays and heavier-duty wiring.
Of course there wasn't going to be a different "look" to the headlights...the goal is to see better, right? :-)
H9 is not physically compatible with H10, not even a little bit. If you really hacked things up enough to stuff an H9 in place of the H10, you spoiled either a bad set of fog lights or a good set of H9 bulbs, and almost certainly are creating unsafe levels of glare no matter how the lights are aimed. That wasn't a good idea (neither is it a good idea to replace H10 fog bulbs with 9005...sometimes you can get away with 9006 without creating problems). The fact you've never been "beamed" doesn't mean a thing; people drive around producing insane levels of glare (HID kits, etc.) and don't get beamed; that doesn't mean the glare doesn't exist.
Of course there wasn't going to be a different "look" to the headlights...the goal is to see better, right? :-)
H9 is not physically compatible with H10, not even a little bit. If you really hacked things up enough to stuff an H9 in place of the H10, you spoiled either a bad set of fog lights or a good set of H9 bulbs, and almost certainly are creating unsafe levels of glare no matter how the lights are aimed. That wasn't a good idea (neither is it a good idea to replace H10 fog bulbs with 9005...sometimes you can get away with 9006 without creating problems). The fact you've never been "beamed" doesn't mean a thing; people drive around producing insane levels of glare (HID kits, etc.) and don't get beamed; that doesn't mean the glare doesn't exist.
Why do you say there is too much glare! I have experienced it by testing it out for myself! I was driving one way, my wife drove my Sport Trac towards me(on the road) and the glare that you're speaking of just isn't there! I checked them, They aren't H9's, they are 9005! The 9005 produce a much more light than the H10's and the light is projected very low on the road, just where I want my fog lights to be! I understand what you are saying, but I'm a tad bit offended, by you pretty much saying I'm not a safe/considerate person, after I even told you that I had tested them out for myself to make sure the glare wasn't bad! I reported the glare is minimal at best! You need to listen to people before you critisize them!
When I saying there is no diff, in the way the Brite Lite's and the Xtreme Power look on low beam, they look pretty much the same on the road! Not a very noticable diff. but high beam is a diff. story!
When I saying there is no diff, in the way the Brite Lite's and the Xtreme Power look on low beam, they look pretty much the same on the road! Not a very noticable diff. but high beam is a diff. story!
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It's good that you and your wife thought to take a look at the lights, but your subjective impressions just don't cut it as far as determining the level of glare produced by your modified fog lamps. This is more along the lines of making yourself feel good about the mod than it is about assuring that you aren't creating a danger, which you are with 9005 bulbs in a fog lamp designed to take H10. Remember, fog lamps are generally much smaller than headlamps, which means for any given light source and any given aim angle a fog lamp will produce much more glare than a low beam because of the fog lamp's high surface luminance. Translated into simpler English: a fog lamp equipped with a bulb significantly more intense than it was designed for is going to create excessive glare regardless of how it's aimed.
Also, does the fog lamp in your Sport Trac have a full-cap type of bulb shield that fully blocks the end of the bulb? Or is it a ring-type bulb shield that lets you see the end of the bulb through the fog lamp lens?
Also, does the fog lamp in your Sport Trac have a full-cap type of bulb shield that fully blocks the end of the bulb? Or is it a ring-type bulb shield that lets you see the end of the bulb through the fog lamp lens?
It's a ring type! As far as the glare is, OEM HID lights produce a ton more glare(aftermarket ones are worse) that I can see with my own eyes than my fog lights do! They work exceptionally well in foull weather, the light doesn't glare off of the rain or fog, it just simply lights the road where I need to see. If the glare was too bad, I wouldn't run the 9005 bulbs. The H10 bulbs were/are completely useless! My eyes can see the diff between what OEM HID lights produce as far as glare vs. what my fog lights produce, if they are OK, then my fog lights are better than OK!
See, that's the problem, right there. The 9005 bulb doesn't have blacktop on the end of the glass. The 9006 does. With a ring-type bulb shield, the blacktop serves as the end of the shield. If no blacktop, you've got uncontrolled light coming directly off the filament, passing through the (distorted) end glass, and creating nothing but glare.
Your subjective comparisons and assumptions still don't cut the mustard; fact is your 9005-bulbed fogs are producing unsafe levels of glare.
You'd have done better to just go to Ford and grab the higher-performing pre-cost-reduction version of that fog lamp, which takes an H1 bulb and has a full-cap bulb shield.
Well, if my fog lights are producing"dangerous" amounts of glare, then ALL of the OEM HID lights are as well! I'll stick with what I have! It cuts the mustard just fine as well as the night without bothering anyone with glare as all HID systems do, OEM or not! You can say they are producing dangerous amounts of glare, but until you have seen them for yourself, it just your uneducated, speculated opinion! :thanks:
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