What Rechargeables For These Lights???

[umc]

Hey all I've been trying to sift through all of the info here on rechargeables and am just getting more and more confused. I'm wondering if it would be possible for some one to tell me what rechargeables I can use with the lights listed and what kind of enhancements I can experience with them as in brighter output, longer running etc. Also, is there a single charger that will charge all the the suggested batteries?

Thanks,

Surefires:

M6:

M3:

C3:

C2:

U2:

E2D:

E1E:

E1L:

L4:

G2L:

G2:

Kroma:

 

[mdocod]

I'll do my best.

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M6:
Cell configuration: 6x3.7V RCR123 size protected AW brand Li-Ion cells.

Bulb Options:
MN60: 18W, 455 - 275 lumen in 41 minutes (bulb life reduced dramatically, but incredible)
LF HO-M6R: 23W, 480 - 285 lumen in 30 minutes (best drop-in solution available for this config)

EDIT IN:
if you can get ahold of a 3x17670 adapter from fivemega, you can run the same bulbs listed above. (same notes apply).

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M3:
Cell configuration: 2x3.7V 17500 size protected Li-Ion cells. (AW, Pila, or Wolf-Eyes)

Bulb Option:
SF MN10: 9.5W, 151 - 94 lumen in 52 minutes
LF HO-M3: 12W, 238 - 145 lumen in 40 minutes
LF EO-M3: 15.5W, 268 - 162 lumen in 30 minutes

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M3+ 1 cell extender:
Cell configuration: 2x3.7V 17670 size protected Li-Ion cells. (AW, Pila, or Wolf-Eyes)

Bulb Option:
MN10: 9.5W, 154 - 100 lumen in 74 minutes
MN11: 20W, 330 - 175 lumen in 31 minutes
LF HO-M3: 12W, 241 - 155 lumen in 57 minutes
LF EO-M3: 15.5W, 273 - 172 lumen in 44 minutes

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C3:
Cell configuration: 2x3.7V 17500 size protected Li-Ion cells. (AW, Pila, or Wolf-Eyes)

Bulb Options:
LF D26 ES-9: 7W, 115 - 75 lumen in 73 minutes
LF D26 SR-9: 9W, 160 - 100 lumen in 51 minutes
LF D26 HO-9: 12W, 215 - 132 lumen in 40 minutes
LF D26 EO-9: 15W, 268 - 162 lumen in 30 minutes
SF P90: 9W, 151 - 94 lumen in 52 minutes
G&P G90: 9W, 151 - 94 lumen in 52 minutes
G&P D26 7.4V "DX 10W xenon": 9W, 153 - 95 lumen in 52 minutes (guess)
G&P D26 7.4V "DX 15W xenon": 10.5W, 175 - 108 lumen in 46 minutes (guess)
Pathfinder P90: 10W, 165 - 102 lumen in 47 minutes
WE D26 9V: 10W, 175 - 108 lumen in 46 minutes
Pila GL3 LA: 10W, 175 - 108 lumen in 46 minutes

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C3 + 1 CELL EXTENDER
Cell configuration: 2x3.7V 17670 size protected Li-Ion cells. (AW, Pila, or Wolf-Eyes)

Bulb Options:
LF D26 ES-9: 7W, 116 - 76 lumen in 105 minutes
LF D26 SR-9: 10W, 163 - 106 lumen in 73 minutes
LF D26 HO-9: 12W, 218 - 140 lumen in 57 minutes
LF D26 EO-9: 15.5W, 273 - 172 lumen in 44 minutes
SF P90: 9.5W, 154 - 100 lumen in 74 minutes
SF P91: 20W, 330 - 175 lumen in 31 minutes
G&P G90: 9.5W, 154 - 100 lumen in 74 minutes
G&P D26 7.4V "DX 10W xenon": 10W, 158 - 102 lumen in 74 minutes (guess)
G&P D26 7.4V "DX 15W xenon": 11W, 179 - 115 lumen in 66 minutes (guess)
Pathfinder P90: 10.5W, 167 - 107 lumen in 67 minutes
WE D26 9V: 10.5W, 179 - 115 lumen in 66 minutes
Pila GL3 LA: 10.5W, 179 - 115 lumen in 66 minutes

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C2:
Cell configuration: 2x3.7V RCR123 size protected AW brand Li-Ion cells.

Bulb Options:
LF D26 ES-9: 7W, 98 - 56 lumen in 38 minutes
LF D26 SR-9: 9W, 126 - 74 lumen in 25 minutes
LF D26 HO-9: 12W, 160 - 88 lumen in 20 minutes
SF P90: 9W, 118 - 70 lumen in 25 minutes
G&P G90: 9W, 118 - 70 lumen in 25 minutes
G&P D26 7.4V "DX 10W xenon": 9W, 118 - 70 lumen in 25 minutes
G&P D26 7.4V "DX 15W xenon": 10.5W, 136 - 80 lumen in 23 minutes
Pathfinder P90: 10W, 129 - 75 lumen in 23 minutes
WE D26 9V: 10W, 136 - 80 lumen in 23 minutes
Pila GL3 LA: 10W, 136 - 80 lumen in 23 minutes

OR

Cell configuration: 1x3.7V 17670 size protected Li-Ion cells. (AW, Pila, or Wolf-Eyes)

Bulb Options:
LF D26 HO-4: 7W, 106 - 69 lumen in 49 minutes
G&P D26 3.7V: 8W, 118 - 72 lumen in 40 minutes
WE D26 3.7V: 8W, 114 - 69 lumen in 42 minutes
LF D26 EO-4: 9W, 122 - 70 lumen in 37 minutes
G&P D26 3.7V "DX 10W xenon": 7W, 118 - 72 lumen in 40 minutes

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C2 plus 1 cell extender (same options as C3 above)

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U2:
A single 3.7V 17670 size protected or unprotected Li-Ion should fit and work fine. Older models had room for an 18650, some had a sleeve that could be removed to make room for 18650s.

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E2D: (I think options should be the same as a E2E... which are:..)
cell configuration 1x3.7V 17670 size protected Li-Ion cell. (AW, Pila, or Wolf-Eyes)

Bulb Options:
LF HO-E1R: 3W, 46- 30 lumen in 112 minutes
LF EO-E1R: 4.5W, 76 - 49 lumen in 69 minutes

OR

cell configuration 2x3.7V RCR123 size protected AW brand Li-Ion cells.

Bulb Options:
LF HO-E2R: 5W, 90 - 52 lumen in 47 minutes
LF EO-E2R: 6W, 117 - 67 lumen in 38 minutes

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E1E:
cell configuration 1x3.7V RCR123 size protected AW brand Li-Ion cells.

Bulb Options:
LF HO-E1R: 3W, 39 - 23 lumen in 38 minutes
LF EO-E1R: 4.5W, 59 - 35 lumen in 23 minutes

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E1L:
Probably best bet is a 3.0V RCR123 size LiFeP04 cell (will require special charger).
I think some people run 3.7V cells in these, but I think it might be hard on them... I'm not 100% sure about this light, get second opinion.
Expect about 1/3rd the runtime compared to primary cells with a LiFeP04 cell.

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L4: Sorry, I don't know.

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G2L: Either 1x3.7V 17670 size Li-Ion cell, which will have a long runtime with diminishing output through the duration of the run,

or 2x3.7V RCR123 size cells, which will deliver about half the regulated runtime of a pair of primary lithium cells, but no trailing diminishing output, output will remain full brightness through the duration of the run then suddenly die if you drain it far enough to trip protection (try not to).

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G2: Same as C2 above.

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Kroma: Sorry, no idea, 2x 3.0V RCR123 size LiFeP04 cells would be my best guess, expect 1/3rd the normal runtime. get second opinion

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That covers everything I can think of and copy/paste from the compatibility charts in the guide (link in sig line)

Eric

 

[Mr Happy]

Hey all I've been trying to sift through all of the info here on rechargeables and am just getting more and more confused. I'm wondering if it would be possible for some one to tell me what rechargeables I can use with the lights listed ... ?

Well...

Surefires:

...that's your problem right there.

As the saying goes, "if you want to get there, I wouldn't start out from here".

If you want to spend huge amounts of money on that kind of light, you should know you are supposed to spend huge amounts of money on disposable batteries to feed them...

OK, sorry, I'm teasing you. Doubtless someone will be along to give you some more constructive advice. But I think you might need to swap out the bulbs for different ones to be compatible with different battery voltages.

Edit: OK, I see mdocod just wrote an encyclopedia. There you go.

 

[mdocod]

Mr Happy is right, SF isn't really where you start if you have rechargeable cells in mind, but you have a big investment there, so might as well do what can be done to enjoy some rechargability. There are numerous other brands that make flashlights designed to accommodate 18650 size cells, which have substantially better energy content compared to 17mm cells (like the RCR123s/17500/17670s).

You might consider trying to source a leefbody for a few of those lights so you can move up to 18650 size cells. I think I would personally consider a 1x18650 C-C leefbody for the C2, and then installing a DereeLight LED module in it. I would consider maybe a 2x18650 C-C body for your C3 (makes it longer), and then rocking a P91 with 40 minutes runtime in it , or alternatively, or in conjunction with a 2x18650 C-M body for the M3, and rockin that MN11

To go rechargeable on your entire collection is going to be a pretty big investment, so upgrading a few of them to 18mm bodies before making that large investment would be wise if you plan on using them all a lot!

 

[glockboy]

L4: 17670 size.

 

[umc]

Thanks Eric,

I'll use that list as a reference, I really appreciate it.

As far as using primaries, that's not a problem. I just thought there was an advantage to using rechargeables other than a monetary savings?

 

[mdocod]

there are some advantages to rechargable other than savings in the long run.
1. You can top up the cells whenever you want, there is no need to use it till they are dead. So you can always go out with a "fresh" top off and know that you have X amount of runtime available in a light, that way you aren't forced to carry spares around in most cases.
2. Most incandescence will perform brighter with li-ion configurations than with primary CR123 configurations.
3. With the proper use and care of Li-Ion cells, it could be argued that they are safer than CR123 primaries. We've had substantially more reports of CR123 explosions than we have had of Li-Ion cells around here.

That's just a few advantages I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more.

 

[umc]

there are some advantages to rechargable other than savings in the long run.
1. You can top up the cells whenever you want, there is no need to use it till they are dead. So you can always go out with a "fresh" top off and know that you have X amount of runtime available in a light, that way you aren't forced to carry spares around in most cases.
2. Most incandescence will perform brighter with li-ion configurations than with primary CR123 configurations.
3. With the proper use and care of Li-Ion cells, it could be argued that they are safer than CR123 primaries. We've had substantially more reports of CR123 explosions than we have had of Li-Ion cells around here.

That's just a few advantages I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more.

I like the idea of #1.......

My EDC is the C2 but I'm running a Malkoff M60 in it, will that be ok with the 2x3.7V RCR123 size protected AW brand Li-Ion cells?

 

[mdocod]

I believe so, as the M60 drop-in is rated for up to 9V input, and a pair of 3.7V RCR123s should never exceed 8.4V fresh off the charger.

 

[umc]

Excellent,

Thank you.

 

[umc]

Ok, one last question....................


Well for tonight anyway.

With the Pila charger charge the RCR123's? or is an adapter needed and which one?

Thanks again.

 

[mdocod]

The Pila charger will do RCR123s, but will need a pair of RCR123 size dummy cells to fill the gap as I understand it, or other spacers of sorts.