Zebralight SC60

[Alan]

I agree that having additonal good quality protected circuit for the cell won't go wrong. Even with good quality charger like Pila IBC, protected cells provide second protection.

Nonetheless, using high quality cells like NCR18650 in light with built-in voltage cutoff would be safer than using low quality cell with low quality protection circuit in other light. Such protected cells give illusion that the cell are safe is more fatal.

Regarding thermo runaway, I am not sure if protection circuit would really help if the cell itself is poorly-design. Sony cells seems explode even with good protection circuit built-in most laptop. Not to mention that SC60 isn't drawing high current either, I guess it might be 1A or so, again with its unibody heatsink, it dissipates heat faster.

Alan

 

[Spacemarine]

I'd really like to see a runtime plot of the SC60 with one of these new 2900 mAh 18650 cells. is that information available somewhere?

André

 

[psychbeat]

I'd really like to see a runtime plot of the SC60 with one of these new 2900 mAh 18650 cells. is that information available somewhere?

André

me too!

and i want the HL version...

 

[jhc37013]

me too!

and i want the HL version...

Me three, does anyone who owns one have the ability to do so?

 

[Henk_Lu]

I'd really like to see a runtime plot of the SC60 with one of these new 2900 mAh 18650 cells. is that information available somewhere?

André

I thought I read somewhere earlier in this thread that the SC60 doesn't run on flat top cells?

 

[jhc37013]

Mine works but from what I gather so far it's hit and miss with more misses than hits. Seems like the Redilast might be the way to go if a test is done.

 

[AZLight]

My SC60 runs on Sanyo flat top 18650 with no problem.

 

[JA(me)S]

From the lucky fellas that have received their SC60 (working), could a brotha get a beamshot?

I'd even be placated by a good pencil sketch...

 

[tre]

I thought I read somewhere earlier in this thread that the SC60 doesn't run on flat top cells?

Redilast cells are 2900mah with a button top.

 

[Spacemarine]

Anyone made a runtime plot yet?

 

[bigfish5]

Maybe it is just me , but as popular as the zebralights are , it's like pulling teeth to find reviews and beamshots of them. Would love to see some outdoor beamshots of the sc60 also. Sucha tiny light for an 18650.

 

[JDest]

Fonarik.com has SC60 shots along with many others. Slighty hard to navigate since the page loads in Russian but the TECT (Test) link on the home page brings you straight to the goodness. This site has some really useful beamshots, and if they continue down this path, with a little direction, they might end up being a go-to source.

 

[olrac]

Still waiting for neutral version

 

[Gregozedobe]

I can't help with beamshots, but my verbal description is:

More of a floody light than a long distance thrower - it has a large hotspot with fairly wide (and brighter than average) spill. It has a smooth beam, with no obvious rings.

My only criticisms (and I'm being pretty fussy saying this) are that the centre of the hotspot is slightly less bright than the outer edge of the hotspot, and it has just a hint of green. I've noticed similar in several of my other XP-G lights.

All in all it is now my favourite 18650 light, the combination of small size (for an 18650 powered light) and the flexible ZL user interface is great.

 

[FroggyTaco]

My only criticisms (and I'm being pretty fussy saying this) are that the centre of the hotspot is slightly less bright than the outer edge of the hotspot, and it has just a hint of green. I've noticed similar in several of my other XP-G lights.

And that is why especially for XP-G lights neutral tint is where it's at!

 

[Sparky's Magic]

What I would like is a SC60 Hi CRI, at about 140L. Now wouldn't that be something else...are you there Lillian?

 

[JA(me)S]

Below are all cached posts from November 2 2010 through to the end of February 2011.
This represents original posts sequentially from #216-280.
No information was lost in this thread when the lights went out at CPF.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by iso9009 on 11-03-2010 12:43 AM GMT

I received a SC60.

1. JilLite 18650 battery

2. SC60

3. H60

4. SC50W

SC60 vs SC50W

1. SC60

2. Surefire L4

3. JilLite Qohelet




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by davidt1 on 11-03-2010 09:02 AM GMT

iso9009,

Thanks for the pictures. I love size comparison pictures. It's great that Zebralight gives us so many choices. Those who want the most powerful pocket AA light can get the SC51. Those who want the most powerful pocket 18650 light can get the SC60.

I would love to hear your impressions of these lights.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by B0wz3r on 11-03-2010 11:29 AM GMT

Thanks also for those comparison shots.

It looks like the reflector assembly on the 60 is larger than that of the 50/51... makes me wonder how the beam pattern compares between the two.

Any beamshot to share? 😗




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by nutcracker on 11-03-2010 12:23 PM GMT

Look at this thread, (it is not mine.)
http://messerforum.net/showthread.php?t=91495

It is not Sc60/51 but at least SC60/30 and some others.

Ceiling bounce included.

:wave:




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by davidt1 on 11-03-2010 01:23 PM GMT

Look at this thread, (it is not mine.)
http://messerforum.net/showthread.php?t=91495

It is not Sc60/51 but at least SC60/30 and some others.

Ceiling bounce included.

:wave:

Hallo, Hallo,

Thanks for the link. The ceiling bounce test is the most revealing for brightness. The SC60 lights up the floor really well.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by JA(me)S on 11-03-2010 10:42 PM GMT

Ahhhh... beamshots. After waiting so long, they sure go down smooth. Thanks for the link nutcracker.

I realize ZL is more flood than throw. According to the link, the SC60 is solid out to about 50 meters. I remember jhc37013 saying it could reach out to about 100 meters - though barely. This seems to be confirmed by Fonarik at 90 meters. 100 meters is about right for my use...anybody else have any input as to useful distance? Supported pics would be great!




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by jhc37013 on 11-03-2010 11:42 PM GMT

James I wish I was better with a camera I have some dark wooded areas out here and the SC60 is very good at about 60 meters, at 60 meters I can tell a difference between a rabbit and a cat.

At 100 meters it just barely illuminates trees and I can't make out any detail at that distance.

My wife actually commented a couple times with a "hey whats that light I like it" as we navigate around our property. She like's the soft hotspot that does not blind her and she like's the wide spill that can light both our paths. Honesty i can't ever remember her commenting about my light's beam profile before the SC60.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by JA(me)S on 11-04-2010 12:12 AM GMT

Thanks jhc for the input - I can relate to kitty vs. bunny at 60 meters (actually here it's bobcat vs. coyote) What I'd really like to ascertain is bear vs. deer at 100 meters...

Now this is perhaps the best endorsement I've seen on CPF!

My wife actually commented a couple times with a "hey whats that light I like it"...Honesty i can't ever remember her commenting about my light's beam profile before the SC60.

Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by Colonel Sanders on 11-04-2010 04:51 AM GMT

If I could only have one light, this would be it. I find it is by far my most used light.

It's the perfect EDC size, IMO.

Output and runtime are outstanding. I find the throw to be surprising considering the form factor and the plentiful spill. It really does well outside for hiking or camping. I haven't measured but I'd say it's pretty useful up to about 250-400 ft depending on how much detail you consider useful.

Tailcap measurements have shown between 1.2 and 1.35a on high the few times I've checked. That's a bit stronger than I was expecting and helps to explain the excellent output.

The six levels are easily accessible. After a short time I found this UI to be very nice.

Regulation seems perfectly stable. After it shuts down from battery depletion on high, the lower levels are still usable. So, you're not caught in the dark.

Color is slightly cool blue. No green at all.

I use Redilast 2900s and they work perfectly. I use both the Xstar XP6 charger (you have to use the included magnets on the positive pole while charging) and the WF-139 charger (certainly a TIGHT fit with these batteries but it really wouldn't be a problem if this was the only charger I had. I've read that these Redilast 2900s don't work with this charger so perhaps the chargers vary. My 139 was bought back in the spring, FWIW).

When Zebralight comes out with a neutral tint SC60 I'll be buying another. 😎




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by davidt1 on 11-04-2010 11:00 AM GMT

Sounds good, Colonel!




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by JA(me)S on 11-04-2010 09:22 PM GMT

Thanks Colonel for the mini review - and your take on the light's usable distance. Your input on the light's physical size provided me a perfect segue to what was to be my next question:

Is this light truly EDCable? To those of you who carry it every day - is it working for you?




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by jhc37013 on 11-04-2010 09:45 PM GMT

It works great for me the cylindrical shape really helps and size/weight are very acceptable. When I carry my HDS 170T or E1B or SC60 they all feel about identical in weight in size in my pocket.

My opinion is it is the perfect trade off in size, weight and output/efficiency. If there was something better I would carry it, right now the only thing the SC60 shares pocket time with is my Ra 170T.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by JA(me)S on 11-06-2010 10:31 PM GMT

If there was something better I would carry it, right now the only thing the SC60 shares pocket time with is my Ra 170T.

There it is, (gulp)... I am about to commit CPF blasphemy by the mere utterance of what I'm about to say. Please forgive me Henry - the current incarnation of the Egyptian sun god Ra - for I know not what I do... There it is, (gulp)... I am about to commit CPF blasphemy by the mere utterance of what I'm about to say. Please forgive me Henry - the current incarnation of the Egyptian sun god Ra - for I know not what I do...

I am considering the SC60 as my next EDC over the HDS.

There I said it...I said it out loud in a community of my peers. And I feel...lighter, freer, unencumbered.

Ok, moving on. Next question:

How much of a nuisance is unintended switch activation with the SC60 in your pocket?

I really don't like the idea of having to lock out/on the tail cap with every use. The idea is just too cumbersome - and I was just getting used to feeling unencumbered...

- Jas.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by ginaz on 11-06-2010 11:29 PM GMT

mine has never come on unintended




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by jhc37013 on 11-07-2010 12:52 AM GMT

Mine came on once in low but not a serious problem.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by Gregozedobe on 11-07-2010 03:48 AM GMT

Both my SC60 and my H501 have been switched on inadvertantly several times each - so now if I am going to carry them I unscrew the tailcap so that can no longer happen (but you do have to remember to tighten the tailcap again when you want to use the light).




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by LEDAdd1ct on 11-09-2010 06:32 PM GMT

I just had a delicious spaghetti dinner, but I must confess a growing hunger for this light! Since Zebralight has a solid track record of releasing lights in neutral tints, I think I will sit back, let them work out any latent bugs, and bite when the XP-G [bin, neutral tint] is released. I'm cool with 5A, 5B, or 5C. After selling my Guider, there is a void, a void that can only be filled by another 18650 side clicky...




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by Colonel Sanders on 11-12-2010 10:33 AM GMT

Mine came on a couple of times before I started making a habit out of a 1/4 turn of the tailcap.

It's really not a hassle once it becomes a habit...no more-so than twisting a twisty headed light. All it really takes is anything more than about a 1/32 turn and it's locked out.

But, even if you don't lock out and it comes on it's not a big deal. If it's on high for a few minutes it'll let you know! It starts getting pretty warm in there so you won't let it stay on for long!




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by Phaserburn on 11-13-2010 07:31 AM GMT

I just had a delicious spaghetti dinner, but I must confess a growing hunger for this light! Since Zebralight has a solid track record of releasing lights in neutral tints, I think I will sit back, let them work out any latent bugs, and bite when the XP-G [bin, neutral tint] is released. I'm cool with 5A, 5B, or 5C. After selling my Guider, there is a void, a void that can only be filled by another 18650 side clicky...

+1, minus the spaghetti, but plus a robust turkey chili. Waiting on the NW SC60.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by JA(me)S on 01-13-2011 11:00 AM GMT

What to do,what to do,what to do.... 😕

I promised myself I would buy the neutral version when available. Not gonna waver, just gonna hit the "buy it now" button. GoingGear now has the SC60w listed on his site. I called to confirm availability. If not for the snow storm in Georgia he would have them in stock - they are en route and should be in by Monday. One should never break a promise..just a mouse click away...finger hovering....

BUT (why does everything that looks promising have a big but?)

Since I made this promise to myself, I've learned of the SC600 sporting an XM-L that is purportedly neutrally tinted with availability some time in February. This is quite the technological achievement. I would love to hold the equivalent of a car headlight in my hand (in this case, not a euphemism - well ok, given the stress, maybe a little). I've waited this long already, even if I had to wait till March.... can't buy both, relaxing trigger finger... oh, what to do?

Wait a second, I know what to do: go to the only people that understand and vent my frustrations.

Feeling better now.

Now that I've taken all the board space available for venting - what are you guys gonna do?




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by Sparky's Magic on 01-13-2011 11:21 AM GMT

Look at this thread, (it is not mine.)
http://messerforum.net/showthread.php?t=91495

It is not Sc60/51 but at least SC60/30 and some others.

Ceiling bounce included.

:wave:

Thanks for the link,Nutcracker. Thanks for the link,Nutcracker.

I'm going to wait for the Z/ SC60W. (later this month). I hope it's as good as the SC60. Those beamshots, especially the SC60 in the forest

are truly fantastic with what appears to me to be better than average color rendition...can't wait!




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by B0wz3r on 01-13-2011 11:37 AM GMT

I'd go with the SC60w; the XML is still a relatively unknown quantity, at least in terms of tint lottery, so I'd go with something that has a more obvious history in terms of what to expect from the light. As it is, a neutral XPG is going to be plenty bright for most EDC needs; an XML might be great, but honestly, won't the 61w be enough light for most of your needs?




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by Outdoorsman5 on 01-13-2011 12:43 PM GMT

The SC60 is still my favorite & MOST USED light around, but the dang thing keeps getting tripped on in my pocket!! I try to remember to unscrew the tail, but when I forget....argggggh. I wish Zebralight would come up with a way to have more resistance on the button or maybe a one handed way to lock it. BTW, I have not had a battery run down completely when this has happened, so I have not been left with a dead light....I usually feel the heat in my pocket which alerts me that it's been tripped on. Now I get a "phantom hot pocket" from time to time. Sometimes I think my pocket's hot, I reach down, & it's not....strange. It's a little funny when this happens and the light is not even in my pocket.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by tre on 01-13-2011 05:22 PM GMT

JA(me)S, I am in the same boat as you. I have sworn off cool tints but I would love to try an XM-L in an SC60 sized light so I may have to wait for that. what to do?




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by jhc37013 on 01-14-2011 03:45 AM GMT

Go ahead and get the SC60w, even though Zebra has been pretty good about there release dates I would not bet on it. There is always some new or better emitter around the corner so just get what you want to get when you can.

The SC60 is the best EDC light I have and take a look at my list below and that should let you know how I really feel about it.

 

[JA(me)S]

Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by run4jc on 01-14-2011 06:22 AM GMT

After how seeing the quality of the SC51W and noting how pleased I was with it, and how pleased you SC60 owners are, I couldn't resist - GoingGear just accepted my order for an SC60W. 4 inches - neutral tint - great interface - estimated 230-240 lumen - how can you go wrong? I'm loving the interface - and the tint on my SC51W is PERFECT for my tastes. Although the XM-L appeals to me, it's hard for me to resist that proven neutral, slightly warm tint of the XPG R4 (I'm assuming it's an R4?)




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by jhc37013 on 01-14-2011 06:30 AM GMT

Good buy run4 I seriously doubt it will be one you regret, it may end up your favorite EDC light.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by J.D. on 01-14-2011 02:33 PM GMT

Since I made this promise to myself, I've learned of the SC600 sporting an XM-L that is purportedly neutrally tinted with availability some time in February.

What? SC600 - ohhh noooooo What? SC600 - ohhh noooooo :hairpull:

... i've waiting so long for a neutral version of the SC 60 - and now you have to tell me there is a SC600 on it's way.

... so you are not alone with your decision 😉




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by tjmcmahon on 01-14-2011 04:06 PM GMT

So what is the deal with the Neutral tint? I have a few lights and all of them are cool, so I guess I have just never experienced the Neutral. I just got an SC60 a few days ago in the mail and it is a tremendous little light. Is the neutral really that much better or is it purely a preference thing?




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by run4jc on 01-14-2011 04:12 PM GMT

You could search in the forum for days and find strong opinions, but all simply represent individual preference. And although I prefer the neutral tint - I find it more 'pleasing to the eye' - there are those who have equally strong preference for a pure white tint. Interestingly, in my own collection and even though I prefer neutral, most of my lights are NOT neutral - due to availability.

So what is the deal with the Neutral tint? I have a few lights and all of them are cool, so I guess I have just never experienced the Neutral. I just got an SC60 a few days ago in the mail and it is a tremendous little light. Is the neutral really that much better or is it purely a preference thing?

Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by olrac on 01-14-2011 07:28 PM GMT

looks like GG is now out of stock of the neutral SC60




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by TooManyGizmos on 01-14-2011 07:44 PM GMT

~

You might try ... fNg

~





Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by olrac on 01-14-2011 07:50 PM GMT

~

You might try ... fNg

~

nope they don't have them, but not a problem for me I got one from GG nope they don't have them, but not a problem for me I got one from GG




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by nodoubt on 01-14-2011 09:58 PM GMT

sorry, but thats got to be one of the ugliest lights ive ever seen.......

man what were they thinking..........




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by GadgetGeek on 01-15-2011 07:12 AM GMT

I've been so pleased with my SC51/H51 that I have an SC60 on way. Can't wait! 🙂




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by run4jc on 01-16-2011 07:46 AM GMT

Notified yesterday that the "W" versions were delayed at least a week or two. Switched to the SC60 - hoping that it is a nice, white tint, but not too 'cold.'

After how seeing the quality of the SC51W and noting how pleased I was with it, and how pleased you SC60 owners are, I couldn't resist - GoingGear just accepted my order for an SC60W. 4 inches - neutral tint - great interface - estimated 230-240 lumen - how can you go wrong? I'm loving the interface - and the tint on my SC51W is PERFECT for my tastes. Although the XM-L appeals to me, it's hard for me to resist that proven neutral, slightly warm tint of the XPG R4 (I'm assuming it's an R4?)

Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by run4jc on 01-16-2011 07:48 AM GMT

I had similar thoughts until I got one. It looks better 'live.' And the interface is, once you are accustomed to it, intuitive and incredibly useful. Besides - one man's "ugly" is another man's "beautiful"....different strokes...

sorry, but thats got to be one of the ugliest lights ive ever seen.......

man what were they thinking..........

Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by olrac on 01-16-2011 11:40 AM GMT

I had similar thoughts until I got one. It looks better 'live.' And the interface is, once you are accustomed to it, intuitive and incredibly useful. Besides - one man's "ugly" is another man's "beautiful"....different strokes...

You right about that, I think they kinda have a 30's Art Deco look about them. You right about that, I think they kinda have a 30's Art Deco look about them. :thumbsup:




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by jhc37013 on 01-17-2011 12:12 AM GMT

Agreed I don't think it looks bad at all in person and functionality is key here, anit-roll,excellent tail stand, good heat dispersion, pocket clip and I think the solid uni-body really helps reliability and rides well in the pocket. As run4 pointed out different strokes for different folks and it looks great to me.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by GadgetGeek on 01-18-2011 03:39 PM GMT

I received my SC60 today!!! Here it is with two siblings. The H501 might be next!

Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by run4jc on 01-18-2011 03:58 PM GMT

Mine came today, too. What a nice little light - amazing size for an 18650 light. Loaded 'er up with a 2900mAh AW 18650 - bet it'll run a while! As much as I love the tint of the SC51W, this light has a nice tint. Yes, it's white, but it's a creamy white, and not a trace of blueness or coldness. Slightly floody, and my sphere shows it at 291 lumen at turn on. What a great little light - and when the W version becomes available, one will be mine! :devil:




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by pae77 on 01-18-2011 04:54 PM GMT

When the XM-L version comes out, I'll definitely be a buyer!




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by run4jc on 01-18-2011 04:59 PM GMT

I'm still pretty fond of the XP-G....




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by olrac on 01-18-2011 06:27 PM GMT

Just got my SC60W and it's great!




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by Redorblack Nigelbottom on 01-18-2011 08:43 PM GMT

Aurgh.... I've had my SC60 for while now and I'm still waiting for batteries from China in order to turn it on... and the batteries/charger got ordered first. Today I got home from work though and found a cryptic message on the tracking site...

"Origin Post is Preparing Shipment". I had to google that, found out if means that the package entered the US apparently and that it's switching over from China Post to USPS.

Anyone using this light with a headlight type mount? I imagine I could use it the same way as my HF51F except have it hanging off the side of my head instead of over my eyes.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by GadgetGeek on 01-18-2011 09:08 PM GMT

Next time you can order batteries/charger from batteryjunction.com

No affiliation, just a happy customer...




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by roadkill1109 on 01-18-2011 09:37 PM GMT

what is the difference between neutral white and the one which doesnt indicate neutral white?




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by radellaf on 01-18-2011 10:10 PM GMT

Here's my SC60w in pictures:

Positive Contact
http://www.flickr.com/photos/radellaf/5369288906/


PCB end of Redilast vs AW IMR 18650 cell:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/radellaf/5369299172/


Not sure if they changed the fit, but my new SC60w is too small a diameter to fit the protection PCB part of my Redilast 2900. Maybe the light is the same and my Redilast has a slightly bigger lump at the end? It does work with LG Chem unprotected flat-top cells, but I don't have any AW 2900 to try.

End view:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/radellaf/5369349144/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/radellaf/5368762243/


Measuring with a ruler I get pretty much 18.5mm for the bore and my Redilast, so we're talking about a .1-.2mm problem.

Edit: Trustfire 2400 (flame wrapper) do not fit for the same reason. Good thing this light works with flat-tops.

The spring doesn't seem to be particularly big or battery-scratching. Here it is vs the SC51:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/radellaf/5368717733/


Here are some tint comparison beamshots. One with the SC51 cool and the P-Rocket SST50 Neutral, and a second with a Quark MiNi AA Warm White added in.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/radellaf/5369327464/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/radellaf/5368717989/


(my first CPF beamshots, I think)

The only modes that aren't PWM seem to be the highest option for each of the three main settings. The lowest low is the worst, and you can see it out the corner of your eye, but I find it unnoticeable in normal use.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by tjmcmahon on 01-18-2011 10:39 PM GMT

I got my SC60 about a week ago and was scared to order AW 2900's. I got an AW2600 with a button top instead and it fits in the light just fine. The little thing is really quite impressive. The interface is brilliant. The quickness to get to any output I want is amazing. I thought I liked my Quark Turbo 123 but now I cant stop using this little guy. Great light. Also, the pocket thing really isnt an issue. To turn out the cap is literally maybe an 1/8 of a turn. You barely have to turn it for it to not turn on in your pocket. That's all I got for now.

-Happy camper.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by radellaf on 01-19-2011 09:31 PM GMT

Turn your light on - then bump it on a counter top to see if it breaks connection and turns off . If it does ... it has minimal connection and may fail when you need it most .

Future buyers should request a beefed-up brass terminal

I'm with you on the second part, even an extra 0.5mm would be great, but not sure the bump test tells you anything meaningful. Only button top cell (other than the Redilast that won't fit) is an IMR, and it flicks off briefly just as much as the two LG Chem cells when I rap the bottom of the light on a countertop. I think the spring is just only so powerful. Maybe the AW2200 with the button _and_ the extra 2-3mm has enough tension to not blip off, dunno. I'm with you on the second part, even an extra 0.5mm would be great, but not sure the bump test tells you anything meaningful. Only button top cell (other than the Redilast that won't fit) is an IMR, and it flicks off briefly just as much as the two LG Chem cells when I rap the bottom of the light on a countertop. I think the spring is just only so powerful. Maybe the AW2200 with the button _and_ the extra 2-3mm has enough tension to not blip off, dunno.

As for failing when I need it most, well, that's what backup lights are for. I never _really_ need anything other than my keychain (LD01) light.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by GadgetGeek on 01-19-2011 09:51 PM GMT

I'm using UltraFire 2400mAh button top batteries, the gray ones, no issues...




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by madmook on 01-19-2011 10:42 PM GMT

what is the difference between neutral white and the one which doesnt indicate neutral white?

The other one has a cool white tint. The other one has a cool white tint.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by olrac on 01-21-2011 03:20 PM GMT

My SC60W i got from Going Gear is exhibiting weird behavior it will turn on by itself sometimes unless I lock it out anyone else seen this?




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by jhc37013 on 01-21-2011 05:38 PM GMT

My SC60W i got from Going Gear is exhibiting weird behavior it will turn on by itself sometimes unless I lock it out anyone else seen this?

Are you talking turning on in your pocket or just turning on by itself as it sits out on a desk, tabletop etc.? If it's the latter you would be the first I have ever heard of this problem. Are you talking turning on in your pocket or just turning on by itself as it sits out on a desk, tabletop etc.? If it's the latter you would be the first I have ever heard of this problem.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by TooManyGizmos on 01-21-2011 09:42 PM GMT

~

Yes ... static electric discharges can turn it on ......

cause it has an electronic switch .

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[JA(me)S]

Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by jhc37013 on 01-21-2011 09:48 PM GMT

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Yes ... static electric discharges can turn it on ......

cause it has an electronic switch .

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Very good point TMG, now that I think about it I have had my H501 cut on a few times when I set in down on my cloth chair. I never have a problem with accidental activation in my pocket, maybe it's the type of jeans I wear which is just regular denim.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by olrac on 01-22-2011 12:51 AM GMT

It happens after I have used the light then turn it off and a few seconds later (3-10) it turns on, static charge is interesting but I am not experiencing this with my SC30 or SC50 only the SC60




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by radellaf on 01-27-2011 12:04 AM GMT

Perhaps someone can tell me if they've ever done this, but I worked on both my Protected batteries and the light, and now they all fit, the Redilast and the Trustfire Red & Black.

Step 1 I'm not concerned about but it improves safety. I took 320 grit emery paper wrapped around a finger and smoothed down the very sharp edge on the inside of the tail. I gave the entrance inner diameter a slight bevel so it won't nick insulation, especially that on the - end of protected cells where the metal strip meets the circuit board.

Step 2 I am a little concerned about but so far so good. I gently but firmly pressed the most bulging part of the metal strip against a "writing surface" plastic desk pad. Firm enough to flatten the bulge just a bit. I wanted the surface to have some give, though, to keep from damaging the insulation. Most lights are anodized where the metal strip could make contact with the sidewall and it's definitely a weak point of the protected design. Redilast's insulation seems thicker than the Trustfires.

Has anyone else done this to batteries?

There is just some kapton tape insulating that strip from the cell casing and I hope I haven't compromised that. I also wonder, if it did short out, would the thin strip act like a fuse and vaporize or would it get red hot but hold, and cause a fire. FWIW I had a window open to toss the cell if anything happened when I was bump-pressing.

Anyway, now all 3 of my protected cells slide in. It's a tight fit but the lip is now smooth so I hope won't wear the insulation, and the fit is loose enough that all cells drop out by their own weight.

OTOH, the protected are 2-3mm longer and the spring makes some noises on the last turn or two of the tailcap. I think it's fine, but am inclined to stick to my shorter button top IMR and flat top LG 2600 cells most of the time. With any of them if I hit the light tailcap hard on my palm I can get it to flick off for the briefest bit. I don't call that a problem though. Contact has proven rock solid otherwise, and I'd only expect dual-spring lights to be competely immune to that effect.

I only have an AW RCR and 18650 IMR so no negative end plate nubbin to worry about. I really don't like the AW 2600 & 2900 design. Seems made for multi-cell, and I'm a 1-cell guy for now.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by Redorblack Nigelbottom on 01-27-2011 12:24 AM GMT

Perhaps someone can tell me if they've ever done this, but I worked on both my Protected batteries and the light, and now they all fit, the Redilast and the Trustfire Red & Black.

Step 1 I'm not concerned about but it improves safety. I took 320 grit emery paper wrapped around a finger and smoothed down the very sharp edge on the inside of the tail. I gave the entrance inner diameter a slight bevel so it won't nick insulation, especially that on the - end of protected cells where the metal strip meets the circuit board.

Step 2 I am a little concerned about but so far so good. I gently but firmly pressed the most bulging part of the metal strip against a "writing surface" plastic desk pad. Firm enough to flatten the bulge just a bit. I wanted the surface to have some give, though, to keep from damaging the insulation. Most lights are anodized where the metal strip could make contact with the sidewall and it's definitely a weak point of the protected design. Redilast's insulation seems thicker than the Trustfires.

Has anyone else done this to batteries?

There is just some kapton tape insulating that strip from the cell casing and I hope I haven't compromised that. I also wonder, if it did short out, would the thin strip act like a fuse and vaporize or would it get red hot but hold, and cause a fire. FWIW I had a window open to toss the cell if anything happened when I was bump-pressing.

Anyway, now all 3 of my protected cells slide in. It's a tight fit but the lip is now smooth so I hope won't wear the insulation, and the fit is loose enough that all cells drop out by their own weight.

OTOH, the protected are 2-3mm longer and the spring makes some noises on the last turn or two of the tailcap. I think it's fine, but am inclined to stick to my shorter button top IMR and flat top LG 2600 cells most of the time. With any of them if I hit the light tailcap hard on my palm I can get it to flick off for the briefest bit. I don't call that a problem though. Contact has proven rock solid otherwise, and I'd only expect dual-spring lights to be competely immune to that effect.

I only have an AW RCR and 18650 IMR so no negative end plate nubbin to worry about. I really don't like the AW 2600 & 2900 design. Seems made for multi-cell, and I'm a 1-cell guy for now.

I went with the TF protected red and black 2400mah ( I went with the TF protected red and black 2400mah (http://www.dealextreme.com/p/trustfi...s-2-pack-20392) that everyone here recommended (if I wasn't going to spend $40+ on two batteries and go for Pila or AW) and they fit perfectly in my SC60 and Malkoff Wildcat. I was worried about fit reading a bunch of these sorts of threads, but I don't see on my batteries this bit some seem to have sticking out. They slide right into the SC60 and Malkoff without any sticking, but also no rattling.

As a noob to 18650 lights and cells, I'm going to be keeping a good watch on the cells voltages and any apparent wear. I don't wish to become a cautionary tale. But now that I've charged and used the Trustfire cells above... I just ordered 4 more from DX and am ordering a Pila Charger to replace the one bay Trustfire charger I got thinking I was only going to need to charge one cell at a time. I might give the charger I have now to a fellow I work with that has a Lenser flashlight with adjustable beam and it uses a single 18650 cell. He wants the option of just swapping batteries rather than using the magnetic charge adapter and waiting for it to recharge.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by radellaf on 01-27-2011 12:56 AM GMT

There is variation in the trustfires as one of mine kinda fit before mods but you had to be careful. I'm sure with more at least one would be bulge-less. The pressing really worked, though.

I'd still LOVE to know if my light has a .1mm narrower bore than what you guys have. anyone willing and able to caliper the I.D.?

So far I have cottonpickers and XStar USB 18650 chargers, a 1 bay Ultrafire, and an uber hobby charger (BC6DX-ii) for charging. Lots of cells are a must, though I envy the ability to top-up every day without having to open up the light and remove the cell.

It's just an awesome light though. Beautiful tint, brighter than all but the initial output of my "700lm" MG P-Rocket, and I'm very thankful the put in the choice of two lower highs or strobe just like the SC51. Adds to the fun factor, but doesn't get in the way.

EDC-ing this clipped to waistband is pushing the limit of comfort though. The HDS Clicky is O-K, but the SC51 is really the most comfortable. I love having all 3 right now, lots of fun.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by XtremeLaplander on 01-30-2011 02:33 PM GMT

It seems that Zebralight has updated the output of SC60 from 270lm to 300lm at their website. I just wonder if they really have increased the output or what´s going on behind this change?




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by jhc37013 on 01-30-2011 04:02 PM GMT

It seems that Zebralight has updated the output of SC60 from 270lm to 300lm at their website. I just wonder if they really have increased the output or what´s going on behind this change?

Good catch and High 2 is now 155lm I think before it was 140, it would not surprise me one bit to find out this is just a update in the true lumen count because I have always thought it brighter than 270.




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by JA(me)S on 01-30-2011 04:05 PM GMT

Good catch XtremeLaplander. I have no idea why the bump in lumens - but the SC60w is now at 260 and with an estimated shipping date of 2-8-11. (I thought GoingGear already had them). I'd like to think an independent reviewer confirmed a higher output and reported it back to ZL - selfbuilt?




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by XtremeLaplander on 01-31-2011 03:22 PM GMT

I have been tempted to buy SC60 for a quite long time and I´m about to hit the button.. but the reason I haven´t bought it yet is that I red that SC600 with XM-L is coming and immediately thought that wow, that is a must to have, but I guess I´ll have to get both 🙂

Thing is that two of my Zebralight SC51 has completely different tint: one has quite pure white almost neutral tint which I like a lot, but the other has ugly greenish tint, so the QC has flopped again or is this something else I don´t know. I like the pure white tint and I don´t have any flashlight with neutral tint so far (and I have many) so I´m thinking whether I should try the w/neutral or buy the regular version and take the risk of getting ugly greenish tint.. Have you experienced that the tint is greenish? I have read lots of good things about neutral tint especially when used in the great outdoors

I would like to be able to use the SC60 in the Fenix headband so I would appreciate if you could give me the diameter taken at center of the SC60 so I would know if it fits the fenix band. I have been using my programmable Akoray K-106/AK-16 modded for 17500 Li-ions in the headband and thought it would be replaced with the SC51, but for hiking, hunting etc. I think the runtime is definitely too short.. 18650 rocks!




Re: Zebralight SC60
Written by jhc37013 on 02-01-2011 05:31 PM GMT

Ok I have been talking with ZL about the 300 lumen and higher lumen counts all all modes with the SC60. Basically the original 270 lumen rating was for a lower flux R4 used in prototypes and that they sent the 300 lumen SC60's toALL SC60 owners, so if you own a SC60 look again at Zebralight's website for true outputs.

I was also told if I want more lumens the SC61 is coming soon its a upgraded XP-G driven harder (not sure if it's R5, S2 or S3)it will have shorter runtimes, the R4 is what is currently used.

Also was mentioned the bigger bodied SC600, I can't wait for both. 🙂



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What I would like is a SC60 Hi CRI, at about 140L. Now wouldn't that be something else...are you there Lillian?

My apologies Sparky's Magic, I restored the thread right after you posted this - didn't want it to get lost so I thought I'd at least reply so others could see it... hope you understand. - Jas.