Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/27/2010 (Newer Info Added)

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Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 5/22/09 (Newer Info Added)

When you have transcended incandescence, lightbulbs revolve around you. Continue on the path, grasshopper. :crackup:
People have pondered on this forum, what the stage beyond flashoholism is.

Now we have a name for it.

TI

Transcendental Incandescence.

That Zen-like state of bliss that only a hotwire incan can induce.

(There is probablty an LED equivalent of TI, but my care factor is way too low to speculate.)
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 4/18/09

I am posting my results for a clever new Osram category of bulbs, called Ministar. There is a thread about the 35W version here, but I ordered and tested the 50W version.

This bulb has a high quality silver coating on the bottom, acting like a reflector, and improving efficiency similar to the IRC bulb. Because this is a more directional bulb, Osram rates it in candela.

As I have said elsewhere, there are very strict definitions of lumens and candela, that are rarely understood. Candela underscores the measurement output in a directional cone of light (called a steradian) which applies more accurately with this type of built in reflector coating.

Luckily, we can do an approximate conversion by looking at Osram's site for the 50W Ministar bulb here, which I just finished testing. I will be posting it in my destructive original post shortly.

We see that this bulb puts out 1400 candela with radiation angle of 30° (also has life of 2,000hrs and color temp of 3,000 K). Going back to the WIKI page, there is a conversion table at the bottom if you know the beam angle, which in this case 30° uses 4.67.

So we divide 1400 candela by 4.67 to get approximately 300 lumens. However, this is a totally unique bulb design, because of directional output, but I did my same perdicular lux testing method to be consistent.The obvious question is how does it compare to the IRC 50W 64440 bulb listed here. That bulb lists 1250 lumens & 4,000hr life (same 3,000K temp), and at first blush it appears the IRC blows it away.

I will have to additionally test both bulbs in the same reflector setup to see how they compare visually and practically. The Ministar reflector design makes an unfair "apples to oranges" comparison. You can use my data to see the low amp efficiency and flash point voltage.



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Hi, despite being an incan newbie, I have been reading on this forum for weeks now, and have read through this entire thread, and the related graphs - several times. Just amazing work. I have done enough LED testing to understand the challenges of this work, as LEDs have the same challenges with color temperature, CRI, beam angle, and of course, the meters being tuned for incan bulbs.

In the case of this particular bulb set, the Osram Ministars, as best I can tell, the testing was performed in an identical setup as the more conventional bulbs, which makes sense. This means really only "side emission" measurements were taken, not "foward emission".

Nonetheless, I am really curious about the lux numbers coming from the front / top of the bulb, especially the 35 watt version. Is there any chance that anyone has captured this information anywhere? I did some searching, and did not find many users of these bulbs yet.

If you need some $s to cover some more testing of these bulbs, let me know.

Thanks

HarryN
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/28/09 (Newer Info Added)

Just got two sample bulbs from FiveMega the other day, and wanted to get these results up. This is another superb custom Carley made for FM bulb #FM1909 that he is selling for $16 with light purchase in this thread.

What is spectacular with this custom bulb is the small G4 size bulb (that fits his new Ver2 Deep reflector with small bore), yet tremendous lumen output for relatively low amp demand. Therefore, battery life will last longer than the 10A bulbs. I checked the beam and it is nice and clean looking like the no longer available FM CL43W bulb. I am grabbing a bunch of these.

It has a default spec of:
11.4V -- 5.5A -- 63W -- 2260L -- 20 Hrs Life -- 3400K temp.

Photo showing it in comparison to his previous CL-43W & Philips 5761


 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/28/09 (Newer Info Added)

Just got two sample bulbs from FiveMega the other day, and wanted to get these results up. This is another superb custom Carley made for FM bulb #FM1909 that he is selling for $16 with light purchase in this thread.

What is spectacular with this custom bulb is the small G4 size bulb (that fits his new Ver2 Deep reflector with small bore), yet tremendous lumen output for relatively low amp demand. Therefore, battery life will last longer than the 10A bulbs. I checked the beam and it is nice and clean looking like the no longer available FM CL43W bulb. I am grabbing a bunch of these.

It has a default spec of:
11.4V -- 5.5A -- 63W -- 2260L -- 20 Hrs Life -- 3400K temp.



LuxLuthor that does indeed look like a fantastic bulb. Is there anyway for me to purchase a few of the bulbs without purchasing the turnkey flashlight?​
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/28/09 (Newer Info Added)

dang.. i want that bulb... those are some hardcore specs..
 
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Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 5/22/09 (Newer Info Added)

Does that mean this bulb will handle 26500 IMR cells without needing sort start? That would be awesome. Might be reason enough to buy one of those hosts of FM's.

Cheers,
Nova
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 5/22/09 (Newer Info Added)

Does that mean this bulb will handle 26500 IMR cells without needing sort start? That would be awesome. Might be reason enough to buy one of those hosts of FM's.

Cheers,
Nova

Fivemega: (obviously a Fivemega quote :))
[SIZE=+2]WA1274 with 2x26500 :thumbsup:
WA1166 with 3x26500 :thumbsup:
FM1909 with 3x26500 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]
Using soft start switch is smart choice but not necessary.[/SIZE]


Just a guess , I'd assume a sofstart would pay for itself in extended bulb life even if you never instaflash.
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/19/09 (Newer Info Added)

Got my greasy hands on a FM1909 bulb and made a quick mod with it. Direct drive with 3 x Emoli and a KIU socket. The 3 well rested cells measured 11.94 volts. Went out for a late night test. Also brought along a Mag85 on fresh batteries for a comparison. Both flashlights had FiveMega MOP reflectors with small opening. I was shocked. I was under the false impression the FM1909 would only be marginally better than the 1185. The FM1909 spanked the 1185 lamp. It produced a much whiter and more spotty beam that threw much farther. LuxLuthor mind if I call you LL CoolRay? Just kidding getting late. Any chance you would consider adding a mod that uses the FM1909 to your "Most Powerful Maglite Mods List" ?

Happy Mods!
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/19/09 (Newer Info Added)

Well I'm ready to sign up for FMs new bulbs.

He's not saying much, but they appear to be precisely calculated for 2 and 3 (respectively) IMR26500's.
Just the right amount of overdrive + amperage for the given number of cells.

Me want!
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/19/09 (Newer Info Added)

Got my greasy hands on a FM1909 bulb and made a quick mod with it. Direct drive with 3 x Emoli and a KIU socket. The 3 well rested cells measured 11.94 volts. Went out for a late night test. Also brought along a Mag85 on fresh batteries for a comparison. Both flashlights had FiveMega MOP reflectors with small opening. I was shocked. I was under the false impression the FM1909 would only be marginally better than the 1185. The FM1909 spanked the 1185 lamp. It produced a much whiter and more spotty beam that threw much farther. LuxLuthor mind if I call you LL CoolRay? Just kidding getting late. Any chance you would consider adding a mod that uses the FM1909 to your "Most Powerful Maglite Mods List" ?

Happy Mods!

Yeah, I need to update the list with a couple lights.
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/28/09 (Newer Info Added)

So there is no way to buy the 1909 bulb "a la carte?" It seems like the only bulb that will run well direct driven with 3 IMR cells; however I can fit 3 IMR 26650 cells in a 3D maglite just fine, so I don't need another host (well mostly I am too cheap). 3 IMR 26650's would give a good half hour of runtime with 2200+ lumens.

Are there any other bulbs that would work with 3 IMR and not be under driven? I can't seem to find any.
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/28/09 (Newer Info Added)

So there is no way to buy the 1909 bulb "a la carte?" It seems like the only bulb that will run well direct driven with 3 IMR cells; however I can fit 3 IMR 26650 cells in a 3D maglite just fine, so I don't need another host (well mostly I am too cheap). 3 IMR 26650's would give a good half hour of runtime with 2200+ lumens.

Are there any other bulbs that would work with 3 IMR and not be under driven? I can't seem to find any.

PM sent!
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/28/09 (Newer Info Added)

I am also looking to get one or two of these bulbs but can't afford to purchase the host from Fivemega. Can anyone afford to sell me one or two??:help:
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/28/09 (Newer Info Added)

I am also looking to get one or two of these bulbs but can't afford to purchase the host from Fivemega. Can anyone afford to sell me one or two??:help:

PM sent!
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/28/09 (Newer Info Added)

Probably best to start a new thread that relates to question Mjolnir has about purchasing specific bulbs, and Fulgeo replying that he sent PM's to two members. LOL!

I would guess the size of this thread is on the threshold of being closed and a new one started anyway...but still.
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/28/09 (Newer Info Added)

Probably best to start a new thread that relates to question Mjolnir has about purchasing specific bulbs, and Fulgeo replying that he sent PM's to two members. LOL!

I would guess the size of this thread is on the threshold of being closed and a new one started anyway...but still.

I was tempted to just post a reply "PM sent!" to this LuxLuthor.:D I get what your saying thou!
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/28/09 (Newer Info Added)

I think I've discovered a poor man's alternative to FM1909. I can run the Hikari JC5607 (2000hr 6V 20W G4) bulb on three AW IMR 26500 direct drive. Current draw is about 5A, so power consumed is a very close match for 63W. Output beats my best Philips 5761 setup and best of all, the bulbs are only $1.15 each.
 
Re: Destructive Incan Bulb Tests - Updated 8/28/09 (Newer Info Added)

I think I've discovered a poor man's alternative to FM1909. I can run the Hikari JC5607 (2000hr 6V 20W G4) bulb on three AW IMR 26500 direct drive. Current draw is about 5A, so power consumed is a very close match for 63W. Output beats my best Philips 5761 setup and best of all, the bulbs are only $1.15 each.

Another surprising nice find. Hikari makes some killer bulbs. I was just about to do destructive testing on a WA-1326 bulb that jslappa just sent me when I saw this post, and ordered some of these Hikari JC5607 you mentioned from this link. I'll do testings on both bulbs shortly. Thanks!
 
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