Help building a LED flashlight

thumpergirl

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Hello all. Newbie here. My needs are simple but specific:

  • must run on a 10 pack of lithium batteries for at least one night (9 hours, preferably more - up to 15). I think lithium batteries are 1.5V, so that's a 15V power supply.
  • 2 pin connector attached to the light instead of a switch
  • brighter is better, but not so bright that it runs the batteries down too fast.
  • it has no switch, it turns on and off when you plug in the battery pack
  • it is very lightweight, and very dependable
  • it is waterproof ( i suppose this is what silicone is for)



So, this is kind of last minute because I thought I could purchase one, but I probably can't. I need to know how to make one. I realize I've not contributed to this forum, so I'm thanking you in advance for your help. Hoping I can get this put together in a couple of weeks!
 
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I think I should state my request more clearly. I'm looking for someone to help me identify what parts I need, and where to purchase them. I don't know what kind of led driver I need, or led emitter and reflector with wire leads, and the parts for the 2 pin connector. There are too many choices and I don't know heads from tails yet.
 
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There's the threaded 2pin connector on the tail end that replaces the switch.






Thanks for any input. :)
 
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A diving light might be a better bet than a 'generic' waterproof flashlight. :thinking: Especially when that paddling is in salt water.
 

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i think you should just look for a good light that is built to withstand abuse, it will always be better built than that. FYI a basic light i have , olight m20s takes two cr123 lithiums ( they are 3v each ) and runs on the 115 lumen setting for 9 hrs. has a lower and higher setting too.
 

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Those are great suggestions, and ones that I will consider for the future. Right now, my time is very limited and my hull is set up to accept the light detailed above. No switches, no settings, etc... The mount is set up to hold that size case. Basically, my best bet right now is to identify those parts and build another.

The case is an ultrafire 503b.

I don't know if I need to purchase the led emitter and reflector seperately, or as a single unit with lead wires. I also don't know how to find the right driver, and where to get the parts for the 2 pin plug.

If anyone can steer me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it.

Here is a nice looking, inexpensive light that maybe I could start with and modify. Have no idea what to even call the 2 pin connector wire at the end. Help please! Running out of time. My teammates left me which has me racing in a solo boat and trying to outfit it last minute. Usually I don't wait this long to deal with these things. :)

http://www.alldaymall.com/review/product/list/id/31/category/47/
 

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So let me see if i can get this right; You have a P60 unit (the module that holds the led light), you have a big a$$ battery pack of questionable voltage (please double check that) and then you have an old flash-light body where wires meet and you somehow ended up with some form of drivers but it doesnt hold any batteries.... Does that sound about right?

If so buy something like this;

http://www.solarforceflashlight-sales.com/product_detail.php?t=RB&s=29&id=30

It will run on anything between 4-18 volts. Its got the needed driver stuff built-in, just pull off the big spring thats on there (it should just be snapped in place) and solder the negative wire to where the big spring used to touch the brass. The little spring on the tail-end of the unit is where the positive end of you battery pack goes so you might want to de-solder that or connect your positive wire to that in some other fashion.
 

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Yes, I am sure about the battery pack. It's got 10 AA lithiums in there.


would you happen to know where the find the fittings for 2 pin connector at the bottom? I don't know how to find parts like that that will fit the threads in the case.


(Thank you!!!)
 
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I suggest that you get at least a quality 'dropin' (Light module). The Solarforce L2P is a hard-anodized "P60" host. These are a group of flashlights designed around a particular light module size. Buying a Solarforce L2P host would give you a metal tube with a tailcap switch on one end and a P60 head on the other end.

The dropin (light module) is the part in you pictures that says R5. That is, the reflector, the LED, and a driver inside the metal cup they sit in. Your existing WF50-whatever host will take a P60 dropin and work fairly well. Please check the condition of the O-rings, and seal any penetrations you make (For your power wires, for example). While the dropin will work ok in bad conditions, it's unhealthy for the electronics when the chips get wet.

A dropin will run on power within its rated input voltage, and the LED will run happily. Be careful about getting ones with modes - They may change from bright to dim or strobing modes if power is momentarily interrupted. That may be a good thing, if you could get away with less light at some times.

I suggest a 1-mode or 3-mode dropin with about 100-300 lumens and a reflector similar to your Ultrafire. "Orange Peel" is a reflector that has ripples, instead of mirror-smooth curved parabola. They give a decent compromise between high range and ringy beam, and short range with smooth light patterns.
 

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Save yourself the bother nip into a decent outdoor shop and buy a headlight the type favoured by cavers as they are always in water.They run for hours and have good levels of brightness.
 

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Save yourself the bother nip into a decent outdoor shop and buy a headlight the type favoured by cavers as they are always in water.They run for hours and have good levels of brightness.

Excellent suggestion, but I already have a great headlamp and I use that as well. I have a 21' hull and the bow light needs to be up at the bow. So the headlamp is a great backup, but it's about 11' shy of the bow, and can't stay on for long enough. This needs to run off an external battery pack, 15V, no dimmers/switches, and run for about 12 hours without needing a battery change. It's a pretty specific configuration. Unless there is a light out there that meets the exact criteria mentioned above, I'll have to build one.
 

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The dropin (light module) is the part in you pictures that says R5. That is, the reflector, the LED, and a driver inside the metal cup they sit in. Your existing WF50-whatever host will take a P60 dropin and work fairly well. Please check the condition of the O-rings, and seal any penetrations you make (For your power wires, for example). While the dropin will work ok in bad conditions, it's unhealthy for the electronics when the chips get wet. A dropin will run on power within its rated input voltage, and the LED will run happily. Be careful about getting ones with modes - They may change from bright to dim or strobing modes if power is momentarily interrupted. That may be a good thing, if you could get away with less light at some times.





if you know of good places to purchase these items, i'm all ears. er, eyes.
 
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Excellent suggestion, but I already have a great headlamp and I use that as well. I have a 21' hull and the bow light needs to be up at the bow. So the headlamp is a great backup, but it's about 11' shy of the bow, and can't stay on for long enough. This needs to run off an external battery pack, 15V, no dimmers/switches, and run for about 12 hours without needing a battery change. It's a pretty specific configuration. Unless there is a light out there that meets the exact criteria mentioned above, I'll have to build one.

I have just done a quick search and there are plenty of lights out there specially made for night paddling,have a look it may help your build or adapt something already on the market.
 

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I have just done a quick search and there are plenty of lights out there specially made for night paddling,have a look it may help your build or adapt something already on the market.

Thank you for the suggestion. I have spent a lot of time searching for paddling lights prior to posting on this forum. Most of them aren't made for the low visibility, high run time need that I have. I am not adept enough to spend a lot of money on a light and then try to modify it. Also, my hull is specifically set up to receive the above mentioned specifics: a p60 host, with a 2 pin connector. Anything short of that won't work for me right.

If during your search you happened to come across something that meets the criteria, please post it.
 

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I'm finding it difficult to find a p60 drop in around 100 lumens (under 200 for sure) that accepts up to 15V with a smooth reflector. If anyone comes across that, please post a link for me!
 

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awesome piece of information, thank you. that makes sense. trying to figure all of this out in my limited amount of available time before the race is very challenging.
We toss around all kinds of TLAs (Three Letter Abbreviations) that can get overwhelming. "A P60 L2P is a great host to replace your WF501B XP-G R5 OP Reflector, unless you need a D26-compatible WolfEyes host." What?

The trouble with your project will be identifying what has gone bad, or replacing the whole thing. Many reflectors screw on interchangeably. But if they don't, getting good optical aim will be TOUGH.

If you can match the LED and the reflector type, you will get pretty close to your picked beam pattern. If you post a focused picture of the LED (Which is 'probably' a Cree XP-G, R4 brightness bin) we can be sure for you. Same for the reflector's inner surface (Tough photo to get).

in the pictures of the light i have, it appears the driver is seperate. so maybe he did not buy a drop in, and instead bought the driver separate for some reason. does that seem like a reasonable statement?

It sure is. The driver is some group of circuits - If the battery input is not VERY close to 3.6v, it will need some chips and bits, inductors and resistors and capacitors, to work. Wherever you see those, that's your driver.

so if i buy a 'drop in' it already contains the driver? modes will not be good for me. so it seems the drop in will dictate if there are modes. basically, the drop in is everything you need for the flashlight, sans the power source?
It does already contain the dropin. What you usually get is a sandwich. From the outside, it looks like a cylinder with a reflector on one end and a metal body on the other, about 3cm long (And about 2.54cm wide, incidentally).

From the inside it looks like this:
[|DC
[ is the metal base the whole thing sits in. This usually slides into the front of the P60 host. The whole dropin is held in by the screw-on 'head' of the flashlight. It can be a shallow pan, or a big heat-transferring metal body.

| is the driver board. It has chips and things on it. It has a center contact point for the (+) of the battery, and a ring contact area around the perimeter for the (-). These touch the front contact spring (+) and the body of the light (-). You can solder to these board pads.

D is the LED board. There are two wires coming from the Driver output. You can usually switch out the LED board pretty easily; most P60 dropins have a 20mm LED 'star' you can pretty easily move. Use thermal goo to give good thermal transfer.

C is the reflector. It sits over the LED, held centered somehow. It often screws on, and you may have to slightly unscrew it for perfect focus. "Perfect Focus" means the beam looks great and reaches fully without dark holes in the center hot spot. You will also see that the whole reflector looks 'yellow' with the LED off and the light far away from your eyes and pointed straight at you. The reflectors with matched attaching methods (Screw-on to screw-on) are interchangeable.

the reflector i have now was chosen specifically by an electrical engineer who is also an ultramarathon paddler who competes in this race, so i think he's chosen the right tool for the job. i just wish i knew the specifics of the reflector. it's smooth, and it's a compromise between a narrow beam and just enough to see what's on your left and right in the river at night.
That sounds like a "Light Orange Peel" or a "Smooth" reflector. An XP-G in a smooth reflector gives a PRETTY beam.

so if purchase an ultrafire case, i will have to purchase a drop-in light module, pop off the screw thing, find the pieces that thread into the bottom for the 2pin connector, and solder some wires in there. i guess once I have all the parts I can post and ask what gets soldered where.
Probably so. I am reluctant to guess without having tested to see what broke. Can you check for continuity, voltage, and current where those things belong, to isolate what's broken?

Lighthound.com has a lot of these things, as do illuminationsupply.com.
 

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My needs are simple but specific:

  • must run on a 10 pack of lithium batteries for at least one night (9 hours, preferably more - up to 15). I think lithium batteries are 1.5V, so that's a 15V power supply.
  • brighter is better, but not so bright that it runs the batteries down too fast.
  • it has no switch, it turns on and off when you plug in the battery pack
  • it is very lightweight, and very dependable
  • it is waterproof ( i suppose this is what silicone is for)
In order as asked:
*10 lithium AAs? In series you should get around 15 or 16V.
*How bright is bright enough?
*Using the plug to turn it on isn't the best way to keep things waterproof nor corrosion resistant. A properly sealed switch is the way to go.
*Simple is better
*Anything can be made waterproof. This adds weight, though, and makes things harder to repair down the road.

My thoughts: if you need something quickly then get a properly made bicycle light like the Niteye B10. It has multiple modes and the dimmest mode gives you 64 hours from a fully charged battery pack. Use the next higher mode for more light and shorter run times (600lumens for about 6hours, 200lumens for about 15hours, 50lumens for about 64hours, manufacturer's specs). While this may not be completely waterproof it may suit your needs and can probably be made to work. The power connections are O-ring sealed. The battery pack itself might need to be placed into a sealed container to keep it safe.

Alternatively, you can probably get something cobbled together using a Sandwich Shoppe SOB500 driver, which will give you roughly 200 lumens of output using an XM-L2 and the amount of time it stays on is determined by the battery pack used. I'd go with a Li-Ion battery instead of lithium AAs because it'll have a higher power density, be lighter as a result, and be rechargeable, saving you money in the long run.
 

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AnAppleSnail - Thank you so much for your patience and explanations. I know the questions can seem irritating to someone who knows what they're doing. So, thank you. <img src="http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" smilieid="1" class="inlineimg"><br>
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The light that I have still works - the problem is that I don't trust it. It got a lot of salt water in it and there is quite a bit of corrosion. Also, the reflector is rusted. So what used to be a smooth reflector now has orange rust pits in it.A light failure will cost me the race.<br>
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Somebody asked if I was sure about the batteries. Can't remember where it was, but yes I have a 10pack of lithium's wired in series to give ~15V.<br>
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In order as asked:
*10 lithium AAs? In series you should get around 15 or 16V.
*How bright is bright enough?
*Using the plug to turn it on isn't the best way to keep things waterproof nor corrosion resistant. A properly sealed switch is the way to go.
*Simple is better
*Anything can be made waterproof. This adds weight, though, and makes things harder to repair down the road.

My thoughts: if you need something quickly then get a properly made bicycle light like the Niteye B10. It has multiple modes and the dimmest mode gives you 64 hours from a fully charged battery pack. Use the next higher mode for more light and shorter run times (600lumens for about 6hours, 200lumens for about 15hours, 50lumens for about 64hours, manufacturer's specs). While this may not be completely waterproof it may suit your needs and can probably be made to work. The power connections are O-ring sealed. The battery pack itself might need to be placed into a sealed container to keep it safe.

Alternatively, you can probably get something cobbled together using a Sandwich Shoppe SOB500 driver, which will give you roughly 200 lumens of output using an XM-L2 and the amount of time it stays on is determined by the battery pack used. I'd go with a Li-Ion battery instead of lithium AAs because it'll have a higher power density, be lighter as a result, and be rechargeable, saving you money in the long run.


PCC, Thanks!!!
In order as asked:
*10 lithium AAs? In series you should get around 15 or 16V.
*How bright is bright enough?
*Using the plug to turn it on isn't the best way to keep things waterproof nor corrosion resistant. A properly sealed switch is the way to go.
*Simple is better
*Anything can be made waterproof. This adds weight, though, and makes things harder to repair down the road.

*10 lithium AAs, yes. Wired in series providing ~16+V. Need a drop in accommodating up 18V.
*Bright enough would probably be around 120 lumens. Enough to see, but little enough to go a long way on a battery pack.
*Understand about the plug, but gotta have it. Can't reach the switch, the light is 11' feet in front of me. Details are boring, but I gotta have the 2 pin connector at the tail end right now.
*Simple is better, agree.
*Waterproof, that's what silicone was made for!!! :)


So, regarding the Sandwich Shoppe SOB500 driver, about how long you think that would last on a 10 pack of lithiums? I can't go rechargeable. I can't recharge during the race even though it saves money in the long run. If this were for more uses, I would spend the money on rechargeables.
 

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I forgot to mention, I also want reverse polarity protection! Will most drop in's supply that?
 
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