NEW Small Profile RC05 Rechargeable Flashlight--14500 Powered

Great light! Awesome magnetic charging and metal switch! Some thoughts:
1. Need beacon or sos mode
2. maximum output is only 150lm with AA? Could be a little higher nowadays.

Thanks for sharing your ideas. Sent to the engineers to see what they say.

ktsl said:

Great light! Awesome magnetic charging and metal switch! Some thoughts:
1. Need beacon or sos mode
2. maximum output is only 150lm with AA? Could be a little higher nowadays.

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What is the mode sequence when the light is turned on?

Can the mode sequence be changed?

Thanks

I heard back from the engineers.

1.[FONT=&quot] We don't want to make the operation complicated and we don't think the SOS mode is needed for each light and each customer. (Note: Please refer to the operation instruction of RC05, which needs to click the side switch to get several modes already.)[/FONT]
2. Yes, the max output is 150 lumens with AA batteries, which we think it is enough for this light and the specific users.

So I think it's important to understand that when they design, they have audiences and environment use in mind. What they are telling you is what justified the features they included based on the audience and environment they were targeting. Hope that explains it. Helped us understand.

Let us know if you have other questions for them. Thanks for your questions.

ktsl said:

Great light! Awesome magnetic charging and metal switch! Some thoughts:
1. Need beacon or sos mode
2. maximum output is only 150lm with AA? Could be a little higher nowadays.

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No, the sequence can't be changed. Right now, Fenix hasn't included that feature on any of their lights.

Anymore questions?

LightObsession said:

What is the mode sequence when the light is turned on?

Can the mode sequence be changed?

Thanks

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fenix store said:

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No, the sequence can't be changed. Right now, Fenix hasn't included that feature on any of their lights.

Anymore questions?

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Thanks. That is my preferred sequence.

Does it have mode memory? I didn't see that mentioned.

Thank you. But I will be frank with you, these are typical nonsense answers.
1. See zebralights, manker lights. A good UI design can do the job with no problem. Just see how popular these brands are. Fenix? Lockout = blinky. Check this post out:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?417734-Fenix-RC11
2. If your engineers think 150lm is enough, they are joking themselves. Let's just see how long you can keep at 150lms without improving.

"The customers should be satisfied." "I say what the customer needs." these are typical thoughts that destroy a brand. Let's see how well rc09 sells. Lol.

Fenix has a huge lineup. If this light doesn't satisfy you, try a different one. They have plenty of high output lights. I tend to agree that SOS is not needed and prefer not to have it on my lights. Furthermore 150 lumens is fine in most applications especially for a small AA sized light. Who is right???

The light is what it is, if you don't like it, don't buy it. I hardly think the brand is going fail over one product. Lighten up, and be nice.

I am pretty sure you are wrong on this one. Try selling "150lm is enough" to other flashholics.
Of course I am not buying this light. By providing some thoughts in my reply, I was trying to help this brand improve. In my opinion, they gave an irrespopnsonble answer. Truth be told, I have no oblication to help them in the first place.
If you don't like my tone, look at your post. Three question makrs? Well yeah, I started it, my bad, lol.

:shakehead Don't understand why some folks take flashlight criticism so personal? C'mon guys, relax!..Everybody has the right to their own opinion, this is not a personal matter, so why get mad and start arguing between each other over a flashlight?

Haha thanks I'd like a light to run more than 5 minutes on high. I think on a small battery more conservative outputs are very reasonable. I see you are very new here, you might be surprised what flashaholics like actually. A whole bunch of us recently put out $300-450 depending on material on some 180 lumen flashlights from a very well respected custom maker here. Are we all wrong for buying small low-output lights? No, there are different lights for different people and different situations. I think there is a place for modest output lights in a maker's lineup just like any other light. That's my point. I never buy those 1500 lumen light cannons, for example, but does that mean people who do are wrong? Not hardly. Not every product is for every person. If this one doesn't suit you that is fine, but that doesn't make it a bad product. That's all I've got to say.

LAMPARITA said:

:shakehead Don't understand why some folks take flashlight criticism so personal? C'mon guys, relax!..Everybody has the right to their own opinion, this is not a personal matter, so why get mad and start arguing between each other over a flashlight?

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Exactly It's so funny to see some cute bruised feelings when a flashlight is criticized hahaha

I don't care about this light in particular or if you don't like it. I'm not buying one anyways. I just don't care for people talking like they know what's right for everyone else without knowing anything about other people's usage patterns.

The beauty is in this day and age we are spoiled for choice, just look a few years back. Now we have led choices, tints different UI's etc...........

As nbp states, i am made up with the little HDS 200lm, its amazing and the output for me is more than enough for 95+% of general uses. If i need more i use a different light, sometimes for getting close to perfect, custom is the answer. With Fenix, they are trying to make mainly the general public happy with their modes and UI choices and are not doing that bad with the amount they shift. IMO anyway.

ven said:

The beauty is in this day and age we are spoiled for choice, just look a few years back. Now we have led choices, tints different UI's etc...........

As nbp states, i am made up with the little HDS 200lm, its amazing and the output for me is more than enough for 95+% of general uses. If i need more i use a different light, sometimes for getting close to perfect, custom is the answer. With Fenix, they are trying to make mainly the general public happy with their modes and UI choices and are not doing that bad with the amount they shift. IMO anyway.

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I understand your point. Just curious, if that exact HDS has a max of 500lm, everything else is the same. Would you be generally more happy or upset?

nbp said:

I don't care about this light in particular or if you don't like it. I'm not buying one anyways. I just don't care for people talking like they know what's right for everyone else without knowing anything about other people's usage patterns.

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alright nbp, in my original post to Fenix, I just said it could be a little brighter. I already said that's just my opinion. If it's your opinion 150lm is enough, sure. But you were saying it like it's a fact, which is wrong. Why flashlight's output is improving over the years? Let's mark here, let's see if Fenix ever improve the output of RC05 in the future.

I never said it's a bad product. I never said what's right for everyone. It's you who brought up the ridiculous "right or wrong" question. You said you know 150lm is enough for most applications so "who's right???". I'd suggest you straighten your logic before you post. Till then, I am afraid I won't be part of this discussion with you anymore.

ktsl said:

I understand your point. Just curious, if that exact HDS has a max of 500lm, everything else is the same. Would you be generally more happy or upset?

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Truthfully, i would probably be happier if it had 500lm , as i always say its nice to have it on tap for ifs and whens. Also it would give me more variable control on the UI so i would have even more mode options. However in actual use, i very rarely have it at 200lm output, i would guess around the 100-140lm for most uses that need a bit more light and bare in mind its an edc light. So it will never throw a mile, nor flood a field, yet up close type uses its perfect with the nichia hi cri.

For me HDS is more about run times and efficiency over a pocket rocket, so its more a specialised market or more of a dedicated type of use which has bullet proof reliability.

Choices really come down to what the use entails, i have many crazy hot rods pushing near 3000lm from a light not much bigger , if i need that crazy output.

Something must not be coming through in my wording. I don't know how else to explain it so it makes sense, so I apologize if my post was offensive.

By putting three question marks I was implying that it was an open ended question with no right answer, Not that my stance was right and yours was wrong. Maybe it came through that way.

I don't think there is a right or wrong way to make a flashlight, just different ways that appeal to different people. That's why I wrote "Who is right???" Because no one can answer that for anyone else. No one is absolutely right.

One person may love SOS and 1000 lumens and another person may hate SOS and want a small light that is not so bright and has good runtime. Shouldn't there be flashlights for both people? To say that the "engineers must be joking themselves if they think 150 lumens is enough" implies that anyone who wants a 150 lumen light is wrong for buying it. Calling their posts "nonsense" is more than a little inflammatory. Don't you suppose that they introduce new lights to satisfy customer requests for a product they don't currently have? I assume this light fills such a need.

Fenix has been going strong for many years now, they must be doing something right.

Anyways, we're pretty far off topic here, and I don't want to have to Ban myself, so I'll just leave it at that. Haha. I hope I have clarified my point some though. I'm defending people's right to choose, whatever that choice may happen to be. Bright, dim, blinky, large, small, cheap, expensive, whatever.