raggie33
*the raggedier*
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i hope it dont happen but i want to be prepared not sure if stocking up l91s would be better
awesume that made my night after this nightmare stuff on tv now. i have like 80 18650 cells btw the sonys sure have power. id guess they can give 30 amps if needed~87 months.
The number is always 87.
Figure if they're charged up to 95%, you might lose 1-2% per year, storing in a climate controlled area and not you outdoor shed in Arizona.
Chris
awesume that made my night after this nightmare stuff on tv now. i have like 80 18650 cells btw the sonys sure have power. id guess they can give 30 amps if needed
just two. but im wanting to order a few more emsar dv42How many 18650 lights do you have, raggie33?
I have 6 lights that take 18650 and 10 cells, mostly IMR, but one INR, two ICR, with 6 more IMR cells are on the way. I have trouble using up the capacity of my 18650 cells when I run them, but I sure use the heck out of my 18350 cells and my Eneloops.
just two. but im wanting to order a few more emsar dv42
dv42 owners really love those, I keep hearing about Emisar. With as large a stash as that many 18650, you can just run those all day and all night all the time, as long as you have time to charge the cells.
I have enough 18650 lights, but I am speculating is the Noctigon KR4 with E21A. Hope the stock lasts until I am able to purchase.
i trully love mine is sometimes makes me laugh how crazy bright it isEmisar D4V2 vn quad W2 is one of my top favorite edc lights. I tack a small note to my 18650s, indicating the date and volts. When I check them a year later, I can see that they have lost very little charge. Same goes for both protected and unprotected. I like to rotate my edc lights and rotate my cells. I store plenty of cells on the back shelf at 3.6 volts, and I also keep plenty of cells at 3.9 volts, and I keep a few cells on the top front shelf at 4.1 volts.
The question then becomes, how "healthy" are these cells. Even if they're around 80% after years, they may be degraded to the point where they won't be able to deliver the current you expect. And may not hold a charge very well after recharging.
I have a drawer full of 18650B, you know, when those were "the thing". I should do a test on some to see where they're at now.
...they still start at a huge disadvantage of it taking 4.5 2000mah eneloops to match the power of 1 3000mah 18650.
I don't think you have done the math. I have 800mah 14500 lithium ion batteries and at 3x the voltage they would match or beat any eneloop as 800x3 is 2400 and that would be the equivalent at 1.2v. A 1.2v 18650 at 4300 doesn't get close to a 3.6v 18650 at 3400, the 3400 18650 would have 3x the voltage making it essentially 10200mah equivalent at 1.2v.Not sure how this is a fair comparison. Lou Ferrigno, even at his age, can tie any tween into a pretzel with little effort. One Li-ion 14500 1000mAh cell just doesn't compare to a 1.2V NiMH 18650 4300mAh cell either. Eneloop blows away 14500 cells, and NiMH 18650 cells give Li-ion 18650 cells a run for their money. Apples to apples, brother.
Not really as I quoted an 800mah 14500, and there may be 850-900, even (as you mentioned) 1000mah 14500 which means MORE power than a 2500 Eneloop Pro. The big disadvantage of Eneloops is the lower voltage hampers their performance vs a 14500. It takes at LEAST 3 times the current from an Eneloop to match the same output from a 14500 which often can lead to power loss in use in higher output devices using a single cell. The only way to overcome this is to go with multiple Eneloops in series which with lower power density cannot compete with an 18650. A single 14500 probably costs around the same as 3 Eneloop Pro cells and Eneloops in series has a risk of overdischarging cell(s) in series causing damage to them while a single lithium ion has no issues.Consider also that your 14500 may only see 500 cycles while the Eneloop will see 2100+. But if you wish to ignore this, then an Eneloop Pro 2500mAh does indeed eek our a victory over the same sized Li-ion and with the same number of available cycles.
I've heard 32650 (D size?) and 26650 cells are not quite as dense as 18650s but should still have at least DOUBLE the power than the best LSD (or other nimh) cells of the same size. Nimh is nowhere near as light and nowhere near the power density that is why where we used to have nimh based cell phones and power tools (for a short time) that are now replaced by lithium ion batteries.The reason an 18650 NiMH only has 4-5000mAh is that they just aren't popular. If they were made like Eneloop at FDK, perhaps we would see something. So look at a NiMH LSD D cell with 10,000mAh, compare to Li-ion D sizes, and get back to me. Might be easier to find a C sized Li-ion for comparison. NiMH LSD C sizes have 4500mAh.
I see Eneloops still useful but more and more people are drifting away from them as a major power source to lithium ion 18650s and such.Li-ion is certainly good, but I think it was more amazing when it was novel in the early-mid 00's, and flashlighters from that era that got their hands on one were probably very happy. But Li-ion capacity advancement since has not been in leaps and bounds, but in small increments, and recently largely thanks to Tesla electric vehicles. I think the more recent killer advancement in battery tech goes to Eneloop... so I am to them like the flashlighters from the 00's were to Li-ion.