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Sold/Expired P60 modules -warm, neutral, cool white/XRE-XPE-XPG-S2-XML-U2 / NICHIA 92CRI (part 10)

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Received my Linger today! It is truly a fantastic drop in. I'm sure its been said before, but I thought I'd say how impressed I am with your work. I received the drop in quickly, and it came beautifully packaged. You have set the bar very high for all other custom drop in makers; keep up the great work!

zach

Hi Zach

I appreciate the kind words! I just build and ship them the way I would want to receive them. I try to get them shipped to you quickly and make sure the packaging is plainly marked and bullet proof for shipping and the modules work as they are supposed.

Thanks again and have a good week.

Dave
 
Dave,

I'm looking for a drop in for a Surefire 6p bored to take a single 18650 and at times 2x cr123s. It will be used for camping and outdoors, needs to have a balance of throw and flood, neutral tint, good quality beam. I'd like 3 levels Low / Med/ High in that order, ideally with no memory but I could live with memory if I had to. I don't need it to be a light saber, I'm not looking for anything super bright. I would like a low mode of around 10 to 20 lumens with a longer run time - is 48 hrs possible? I was thinking that either the Nichia 219 or XPG (Q23000K 7A3 (90 minimum CRI) NEW)with a lop reflector driven at 1.4 amps with a 2.8v - 6v driver. I'm a total novice, so tell me if I'm way off.

Cheers

Nick
 
Dave,

I'm looking for a drop in for a Surefire 6p bored to take a single 18650 and at times 2x cr123s. It will be used for camping and outdoors, needs to have a balance of throw and flood, neutral tint, good quality beam. I'd like 3 levels Low / Med/ High in that order, ideally with no memory but I could live with memory if I had to. I don't need it to be a light saber, I'm not looking for anything super bright. I would like a low mode of around 10 to 20 lumens with a longer run time - is 48 hrs possible? I was thinking that either the Nichia 219 or XPG (Q23000K 7A3 (90 minimum CRI) NEW)with a lop reflector driven at 1.4 amps with a 2.8v - 6v driver. I'm a total novice, so tell me if I'm way off.

Cheers

Nick


Hi

Either one of the two emitters you mentioned will work fine, you just have to decide if you want a neutral high CRI or warm. The warm will look more incan than the neutral will.

All my drivers have memory and while you may know what No memory means there seems to be a misconception in the last few months that No memory means it will revert to a certain level. This is not the case, No memory means that it will cycle EVERY time from one level to the other no matter how long you leave the light on. That means that if running in high then next time on it will be medium, next after that it will be low and so on for perpetuity. My drivers Do have memory meaning that once the light has burned for 3 seconds that level will be stocked to memory. Next time on it will be on the last level used if it burned more than 3 seconds. While there may be proprietary lights that do revert to a constant level I have never seen a driver that is rated to 6 volts that does.

I do not keep runtimes on modules since when asked I am never told the mah of the battery plus the resistance of the host and switch which is always a bit different can come into play for runtimes. Low will give a long time but weather it will be 48 hours i can speculate. My drivers are set up at high - 100% / med -30% / low is 5% of 1.4 amps so on low you could POSSIBLY get around 40 hours. if the nichia is chosen low will be around 10 lumens the XPG will be also in that range.

The 3 level 2.8 - 6 volt driver would be the right choice for a single li ion or 2X CR123 so you are correct in your choice and I think this would make a good camping light since you won't be blinding folks with a 700 lumen module but will have plenty of light for any walking to be done.

Dave
 
Hi Dave,

thanks for the detailed reply.

I wasn't sure how to choose the correct XPG emitter, I'm looking for a neutral tint, does the R4 5000k 3C tint sound about right ?

As for memory, my favourite UI is the one on my Preon II, it always starts on low and then cyles to Med and High. I don't need strobes or beacons. I understand that there isn't a lot of choice, I'll take what you can offer.

In terms of run times, as long as the low mode is going to be around 30 to 40 hours that will be plenty. I understand your reluctance to give a definite figure as there are many variables. I'm just after a rough estimate.

How do I choose between the Neutral tint XPG and the Nichia? Are there any significant differences that would help me decide?

Thanks for the help!


Nick
 
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Hi Dave,

thanks for the detailed reply.

I wasn't sure how to choose the correct XPG emitter, I'm looking for a neutral tint, does the R4 5000k 3C tint sound about right ?

As for memory, my favourite UI is the one on my Preon II, it always starts on low and then cyles to Med and High. I don't need strobes or beacons. I understand that there isn't a lot of choice, I'll take what you can offer.

In terms of run times, as long as the low mode is going to be around 30 to 40 hours that will be plenty. I understand your reluctance to give a definite figure as there are many variables. I'm just after a rough estimate.

How do I choose between the Neutral tint XPG and the Nichia? Are there any significant differences that would help me decide?

Thanks for the help!


Nick


Hi

The Nichia is a high CRI which means it will give you truer colors at night and is a true neutral in color temp. while the 3C is outdoor white. The Nichia is more of a true neutral being a bit rosy in color tint while the 3C is as stated a outdoor white so it is a bit more creamy in color tint. Now realize that everyone eyes sees colors differently.

If you are looking for more brightness on high then the 3C is the one to choose at about 300 lumens, the nichia is going to be about 220 lumens. Do remember the driver is a percentage of the total brightness so the brighter on high the brighter on low. As for runtime there would be no difference.

As for runtime again you have not told me the mah of the battery so again I can not get any closer on estimates. If you are trying to get 40hrs on primaries you are out of luck as you are if you are using a old 2000mah 18650 but if you are using a newer good brand of 18650 with a mah of around 3100 then you should be in the ball park. Runtime is basically how much amperage divided into the mah of the battery and led choice makes NO difference as it is mostly all about amperage.

Dave
 
Hi Dave,

I would like to order another -

IR platinum dragon p60 dropin required. to be used in solarforce l2p host, using protected rechargeable 18650.
850nm,
even flood required at as close to 10m spread at 50m as possible please.
3 mode
Potted

module $45
int ship $5
potting $5
total $55


Payment via paypal to your new address in your profile
Transaction ID: 4DB57683LV446703U

Thank you
 
Hi Dave,

I would like to order another -

IR platinum dragon p60 dropin required. to be used in solarforce l2p host, using protected rechargeable 18650.
850nm,
even flood required at as close to 10m spread at 50m as possible please.
3 mode
Potted

module $45
int ship $5
potting $5
total $55


Payment via paypal to your new address in your profile
Transaction ID: 4DB57683LV446703U

Thank you


Hi

No problem and thanks for letting me know on the 18650, you use unprotected as I do and in a L2p it makes about 2 mm difference in length. It will either ship tomorrow or Friday at the latest.

Have a great week.

Dave
 
Hello nailbender
I need a little help as I have never bought a drop in as such but recently ordered a solarforce L2 and a L2T but ordered one of those cheap Solarforce drop ins just to get it going and learn a little about them its an XML 3 mode,have not recieved it as yet.Could you recomend me one of your drop in for the Solarforce l2t with a single AW 18650 protected highest capacity battery,i think they are 2900ma and some times on 2x123 AW rechargables ,I would like some modes low med high in this order please with good throw with some nice spill.I have a hds light with a golden dragon and like its colour but not worried about colour Can it fit in a surefire C2 centurian if I swap it around (its been bored out to fit the 18650)May I ask potted is the driver and electronics are held together in resin?
Thank You
Rgds Sean
I am in Sydney
 
Hello nailbender
I need a little help as I have never bought a drop in as such but recently ordered a solarforce L2 and a L2T but ordered one of those cheap Solarforce drop ins just to get it going and learn a little about them its an XML 3 mode,have not recieved it as yet.Could you recomend me one of your drop in for the Solarforce l2t with a single AW 18650 protected highest capacity battery,i think they are 2900ma and some times on 2x123 AW rechargables ,I would like some modes low med high in this order please with good throw with some nice spill.I have a hds light with a golden dragon and like its colour but not worried about colour Can it fit in a surefire C2 centurian if I swap it around (its been bored out to fit the 18650)May I ask potted is the driver and electronics are held together in resin?
Thank You
Rgds Sean
I am in Sydney


Hi

I would suggest either a XPG or a XML as both have decent throw with adequate spill. The XML in a smooth reflector will have the best throw and will be the brightest and much brighter than the solarforce one you bought. The XML will have the shortest runtime between XPG and XML becuase it uses the most amperage. The XML will be about 700 lumens for a U2 coolwhite but with levels you can get much better runtime. You should still get about an hour runtime on high.

The XPG will yield about 370 lumens with a S2 flux coolwhite so you can see the difference in two modules.

You will be able to use in a C2 but if built for a L2 or L2T you will have to leave the outer spring intact and with the C2 you will either have to remove the outer spring or cut a spare one to one ring as the depth of the module pocket is much shorter than a solarforce.

Yes I pot the inside of the electronics cavity and include a pc of copper tape to snug the reflector to the side of the host, notice the keyword SNUG not Tight.

1st class Int shipping is $5 and takes about a week to arrive.

thanks

Dave
 
Hi

I would suggest either a XPG or a XML as both have decent throw with adequate spill. The XML in a smooth reflector will have the best throw and will be the brightest and much brighter than the solarforce one you bought. The XML will have the shortest runtime between XPG and XML becuase it uses the most amperage. The XML will be about 700 lumens for a U2 coolwhite but with levels you can get much better runtime. You should still get about an hour runtime on high.

The XPG will yield about 370 lumens with a S2 flux coolwhite so you can see the difference in two modules.

You will be able to use in a C2 but if built for a L2 or L2T you will have to leave the outer spring intact and with the C2 you will either have to remove the outer spring or cut a spare one to one ring as the depth of the module pocket is much shorter than a solarforce.

Yes I pot the inside of the electronics cavity and include a pc of copper tape to snug the reflector to the side of the host, notice the keyword SNUG not Tight.

1st class Int shipping is $5 and takes about a week to arrive.

thanks

Dave

Thank you Dave for your reply and help.
I would like the XML potted and coper taped, please for the solarforce l2t.
please let me know the amount and I will paypal.
 
Hello nailbender
I need a little help as I have never bought a drop in as such but recently ordered a solarforce L2 and a L2T but ordered one of those cheap Solarforce drop ins just to get it going and learn a little about them its an XML 3 mode,have not recieved it as yet.Could you recomend me one of your drop in for the Solarforce l2t with a single AW 18650 protected highest capacity battery,i think they are 2900ma and some times on 2x123 AW rechargables ,I would like some modes low med high in this order please with good throw with some nice spill.I have a hds light with a golden dragon and like its colour but not worried about colour Can it fit in a surefire C2 centurian if I swap it around (its been bored out to fit the 18650)May I ask potted is the driver and electronics are held together in resin?
Thank You
Rgds Sean
I am in Sydney

Sean,

One other thing to keep in mind is that the standard drivers in Dave's XM-L modules are rated for 2.8 to 6V battery voltage. This means you can NOT use two AW16340 Lithium Ion batteries in series since the maximum voltage would be 8.4V (2 x 4.2). You can use two CR123 primaries even though their open circuit voltage would be 6.6V max in series; under load they will sag below 6V anyway. If you want to run two rechargeable lithium ion batteries then you'll need to get a higher voltage driver which Dave can do. But keep in mind you'll have a short run time of about 15 minutes when using two lithium ion RCR123 batteries (only 750mAh) at 2.8A and this high current will wear out your RCR123 cells more quickly as well. As Dave has already indicated you'll get 60 minutes using a 3100mAh 18650 on high. I have five of Dave's modules, all are XM-L U2, with different output levels and drivers. They're awesome!!!

Robert
 
Re: P60 modules -warm, neutral, cool white/XRE-XPE-XPG-S2-XML-U2 / P60 modules (part

Hi Dave,


:paypal: for


Nichia 4500k 92CRI neutral ($35)
3 level high / med / low 2.8-6 volts with memory / 1.7 amp
If I select the reflector, light OP
Host: Solarforce L2P
Batt: 1 Eagletac 3100mah 18650 or
2 x Tenergy 3 volt RCR's
 
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Hello nailbender
I need a little help as I have never bought a drop in as such but recently ordered a solarforce L2 and a L2T but ordered one of those cheap Solarforce drop ins just to get it going and learn a little about them its an XML 3 mode,have not recieved it as yet.Could you recomend me one of your drop in for the Solarforce l2t with a single AW 18650 protected highest capacity battery,i think they are 2900ma and some times on 2x123 AW rechargables ,I would like some modes low med high in this order please with good throw with some nice spill.I have a hds light with a golden dragon and like its colour but not worried about colour Can it fit in a surefire C2 centurian if I swap it around (its been bored out to fit the 18650)May I ask potted is the driver and electronics are held together in resin?
Thank You
Rgds Sean
I am in Sydney

Thanks Dave
Payment made.
General use light will be in my pack
XM-L U2 for a Solarforce l2t
Low Med High for a 18650
Leave the reflector to you
Potted and taped please.
 
Thanks Dave
Payment made.
General use light will be in my pack
XM-L U2 for a Solarforce l2t
Low Med High for a 18650
Leave the reflector to you
Potted and taped please.

Hi

if you want more throw but still have adequate spill then a smooth will do, if you want a bit more flood and a less distinct hotspot then a Lop would be a good choice.

I will try to mail tomorrow.

Dave
 
Lop please thats what I have in my HDS lights and its quite nice with out such a defined hotspot.




Hi

if you want more throw but still have adequate spill then a smooth will do, if you want a bit more flood and a less distinct hotspot then a Lop would be a good choice.

I will try to mail tomorrow.

Dave
 
Thank you Robert for your advice
I have printed that out as I will keep as a reference.
Batteries drive me nuts.I will run it on AW 18650 just nice to have an option.
Looking forward to my firts nailbender drop in,have only heard good things about them,and Daves a gentleman putting up with a noob like me.



Sean,

One other thing to keep in mind is that the standard drivers in Dave's XM-L modules are rated for 2.8 to 6V battery voltage. This means you can NOT use two AW16340 Lithium Ion batteries in series since the maximum voltage would be 8.4V (2 x 4.2). You can use two CR123 primaries even though their open circuit voltage would be 6.6V max in series; under load they will sag below 6V anyway. If you want to run two rechargeable lithium ion batteries then you'll need to get a higher voltage driver which Dave can do. But keep in mind you'll have a short run time of about 15 minutes when using two lithium ion RCR123 batteries (only 750mAh) at 2.8A and this high current will wear out your RCR123 cells more quickly as well. As Dave has already indicated you'll get 60 minutes using a 3100mAh 18650 on high. I have five of Dave's modules, all are XM-L U2, with different output levels and drivers. They're awesome!!!

Robert
 
nailbender-

Is it okay to wrap the drop-in really tight with aluminum foil (not the copper tape), or should it be loosley wrapped?

-al
 
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