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Skylumen

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4 most popular V54 customer names

31 Robert
28 David
28 John
26 James

Unbelievable!
 

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I would like a bright white in a p60 drop-in pill that I can put me d36 reflector on for a 2 18650 set-up. Help me out.

D36? I have a wolf-eyes M90 rattlesnake that I would love something similar for. Vinhn, you ever work with wolf-eyes?
 

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If looking to pass blame for the health care debacle, thank your friendly tort lawyer.

Doctors a check list that has to be followed. They test for everything from hang nails to hemorrhoids so that in the event that something goes wrong, they're covered.

A recent visit to the ER, I racked up a 4K bill. Two CT scans, two xrays, EKG and blood work. Total time in hospital, 5 hours. My cost out of pocket, $102.23.

Thats not true. Their check list consist of WHATEVER then can bill your provider for.
Politicians,Pharmaceutical Companies,Insurance Companies,Hospitals then you can add the Lawyers
100's of TRILLIONs of $$ are up for grabs and they are all getting it.
 

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Thats not true. Their check list consist of WHATEVER then can bill your provider for.
Politicians,Pharmaceutical Companies,Insurance Companies,Hospitals then you can add the Lawyers
100's of TRILLIONs of $$ are up for grabs and they are all getting it.

Doctors and hospitals due to liability insurance run the full gambit of tests to indemnify themselves of blame is something goes bad. When I first went into the ER, I had no insurance info, so I was listed as having none. Took me a few days to get insurance info and a card in hand to go to the billing office.

Pharma only comes into play if you need a script. 10 syringes of blood thinner cash price is $600. The commonly prescribed Warfarin tablets are only $4.00 for a thirty day supply. Warfarin is an old med that the patents have run out on. Have no idea as to the cost of the CT contrast injectables were or cost.

Big pharma shouldn't be allowed to advertise to the end user. Take this pill for this and that pill for that. Tell your doctor you want the little blue pill.

Yes, the politicos are part of the problem.

While healthcare has changed in the USA, it's still better than what you receive overseas.
 

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I'm not blaming it on the uninsured. In that statement I was saying that it is (partially) those who don't pay their medical bills.

Understood. I still believe this is a minority of people, but point taken...you can be insured and still not pay your bills, and this will effect insurance rates.

The first of the blame lies on the government. The more they get involved, the more expensive it's is for companies to operate and that cost is pasted on to the patients. That is the single largest reason for the ever increasing cost of health care...Our health care is expensive, but that is mainly the fault of government over regulation and corruption.

And now we completely disagree. For all the flak that Medicare/Medicaid take, in fact they help CONTROL the costs of healthcare, not increase it. The administrative expenses in those programs are FAR lower than private insurers, and they use bargaining power to reduce healthcare price inflation. It has been repeatedly demonstrated that a single payer system (as in Canada and most of Europe) does a much better job of managing costs. There are downsides, to be sure, but higher costs is not one of them.

I do agree on tort reform, not just in healthcare but in many areas. The USA is far too litigious...even sports disputes sometimes end up in the court system, and if that doesn't show how ridiculous it can be, I don't know what does. The courts should be a last resort, if all other avenues fail, and even then, I believe damages should be limited to reasonable levels.
 
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Better then where ,some third world country.As of Dec 2014 We are ranked #37 in the world for health care.
We can expect it to drop to the mid 40s within 1 year.
(We are #1 in the world for number of incarcerations).
Again ,They charge whatever they can to the providers. Heres 1 small Example (WHICH IS COMMON Pratice) =5 days a week for months ,I WAS seeing 3 different doctors. Sometime I just refused to do whatever it is they wanted to do. For this example we'll say they want to scope me. But I refused it 3 times a week(I just didnt like it). Each and every time they would open the scope up just so they could charge the insurance for scoping me..
It's a criminal organization
The hospital (or doctor) knows Medicare/Medicaid or whatever insurance company is involved won't pay the hospital what the hospital charged for services provided. Medicare/Medicaid pays the hospital based on a diagnosis related group (DRG), which is a "black box" of formulas that tell the government to pay X amount of dollars for a particular disease process or procedure.

It sucks but thats the way it is and alway will be
 

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I think I read somewhere the N4 bin is the highest available XHP70 bin for the moment. I could be wrong though :)
 

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And now we completely disagree. For all the flak the Medicare/Medicaid take, in fact they help CONTROL the costs of healthcare, not increase it. The administrative expenses in those programs are FAR lower than private insurers, and they use bargaining power to reduce healthcare price inflation. It has been repeatedly demonstrated that a single payer system (as in Canada and most of Europe) does a much better job of managing costs. There are downsides, to be sure, but higher costs is not one of them.
This is absolutely false. Medicare/Medicaid administrative costs are FAR more expensive, although Obamacare is starting increase the administrative costs on all other plans (with no added benefits). We have to jump through hoops for Medicare because of all the regulation with no added benefits to our members over any other members. I get that not all companies are on the up and up, but that's why we need a true free market, and need to vote with our wallets.

If you are wondering why companies even offer Medicare coverage if it's so much more expensive and more of a hassle, it's because they have to because of government regulation or they get shut down. If you are wondering why it is so cheap for Medicare coverage verses traditional plans it's because companies have little to no control over Medicare plans, and thus pass off that burden to the other members. A Medicare plan where I work is about $60 a month ($24 for certain people), other plans that cover almost everything run about $480. Do you really think it costs 8 times less to cover Medicare members, who use many more services than general members due to age or health conditions? Absolutely not.

Edit: if I'm rambling or all over the place it'sbbecause I'm about to fall asleep. Just on here to see bang 4 your $ light.
 
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http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2011/09/20/medicare-is-more-efficient-than-private-insurance/

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  • Medicare Advantage, which enrolls seniors in private health plans, has failed to deliver care more efficiently than traditional fee-for-service Medicare. Both the CBO and the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), the commission which advises congress on Medicare's finances, have calculated that Medicare Advantage plans covering the same care as traditional Medicare cost 12 percent more.
  • Karen Ignagni, who heads America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), the insurance industry's trade association, has admitted that private plans cannot bargain down provider costs and has asked Washington to intervene.




http://www.pnhp.org/news/2013/february/setting-the-record-straight-on-medicare’s-overhead-costs

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The large difference between traditional Medicare's overhead and that of the insurance industry has caused some conservative critics of Medicare to assert that the federal government is ignoring numerous administrative expenditures incurred by various federal agencies that should be attributed to Medicare.
Sullivan's paper, "How to think clearly about Medicare administrative costs: Data sources and measurement," describes this criticism as the second major source of confusion about Medicare's overhead. Sullivan's study reports that the 1 percent figure includes all appropriate administrative expenses incurred on Medicare's behalf, including those by the IRS, the Social Security Administration, and the FBI, as well as the cost of numerous pilot projects that Congress orders CMS to conduct.





http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/facts-medicare-admin/



http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/administrative-costs/?_r=0

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These administrative spending numbers have been challenged on the grounds that they exclude some aspects of Medicare's administrative costs, such as the expenses of collecting Medicare premiums and payroll taxes, and because Medicare's larger average claims because of its older enrollees make its administrative costs look smaller relative to private plan costs than they really are.
However, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has found that administrative costs under the public Medicare plan are less than 2 percent of expenditures, compared with approximately 11 percent of spending by private plans under Medicare Advantage. This is a near perfect "apples to apples" comparison of administrative costs, because the public Medicare plan and Medicare Advantage plans are operating under similar rules and treating the same population.



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...a-boxer-says-medicare-overhead-far-lower-pri/

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A lively academic debate has broken out over whether Medicare's administrative costs are really as low as 1 percent or 2 percent.

The difference stems from whether Medicare essentially freeloads off other parts of the federal government for services that private insurers have to pay for on their own. Adjusted estimates for Medicare's administrative costs cited by the Urban Institute, a think tank that does research on issues such as poverty and economics, range from 3.6 percent to 5 percent, rather than the 1.3 percent using the data in the trustees' report.

But Edwin Park, a health policy specialist at the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, said that the differences are overblown, since Medicare's administrative cost total already includes payments to other agencies for such services.

We won't settle this question, but we will point out evidence that even when you control for the differences, Medicare is still considerably more cost-efficient. In one study, CBO found that privately run Medicare plans had 11 percent overhead, compared to 2 percent for traditional Medicare.



http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/15/us-column-miller-medicare-idUSBRE87E15N20120815

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MYTH ONE: MEDICARE COSTS ARE OUT OF CONTROL

Facts: Medicare spending will soar in the years ahead as the number of seniors grows, but its per-capita growth is slower than private health insurance - and it is getting better. "We may be reaching the point now where Medicare healthcare expenses are growing no more quickly than growth of the economy overall," said John Rother, chief executive officer of the National Coalition on Health Care (NCHC). "That's important, but it might as well be a state secret as far as the public and Congress goes."

The average annual per-capita spending growth rate through 2019 is projected at 3.1 percent for Medicare, compared with 4.9 percent for private insurance plans, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. The 3.1 percent projection even includes higher payments to doctors as part of a long-term solution to the long-running problem of the sustainable growth rate (SGR) used under current law to control Medicare spending on physician services.
The 3.1 percent projection also is smaller than the 3.7 percent annual growth in gross domestic product for that period projected by the Congressional Budget Office.
Although we hear plenty about fraud and abuse in Medicare - which is a legitimate area of concern - the program is dramatically more efficient than private insurance. Medicare spent just 1.4 percent of every dollar on administrative overhead, even including money spent to fight fraud and abuse, compared with 25 percent overhead in private plans, according to Richard Kaplan, a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law who specializes in elder law matters.






So, draw your own conclusion. I think the evidence (not the rhetoric) supports my belief that Medicare costs are far lower than private companies, not higher. Your opinion may differ of course, but if so (especially after reading some or all of the linked articles, I'd love to know why. The data is out there, and is is quite clear. Even taking worst case estimates, and rolling in ALL costs, not just administrative expenses, Medicare is more efficient, and does a better job of controlling costs.

If we had genuine competition, and allowed the free market system to work, with clear pricing (up front, not after the fact) I would argue that privatization might be the way to go. But that is not even remotely the case. It is empirically true that as it stands now, public programs like Medicare cost less than private insurance.
 
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As very young child in the 1950's, I remember Dr.'s still coming to our house to check on me when I was sick. My Dad worked in a factory as an hourly wage slave but was still able to handle the charge by reaching into his wallet and pulling out "some" of the money he usually carried with him. Of course that was before lawyers had fully developed their art of .. ahhh. . . uhm. "protecting" the little guy from these dangerous Dr.'s. And since Dr.s didn't yet need to pay "protection money" to insurance companies, their fees were much lower. And since their fees were much lower, hardly anyone needed health insurance. With no health insurance premiums to pay, people had more money in their pockets to pay for "little" things .. . . such as Dr. visits . . .
 

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As very young child in the 1950's, I remember Dr.'s still coming to our house to check on me when I was sick. My Dad worked in a factory as an hourly wage slave but was still able to handle the charge by reaching into his wallet and pulling out "some" of the money he usually carried with him. Of course that was before lawyers had fully developed their art of .. ahhh. . . uhm. "protecting" the little guy from these dangerous Dr.'s. And since Dr.s didn't yet need to pay "protection money" to insurance companies, their fees were much lower. And since their fees were much lower, hardly anyone needed health insurance. With no health insurance premiums to pay, people had more money in their pockets to pay for "little" things .. . . such as Dr. visits . . .

If we could heavily reduce government regulation, and get tort reform it could go back to this way. Then health insurance could be extremely cheap and only for catastrophic events, similar to house/car insurance.
 

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Vinh, sent u an email about my shipping address. Hope u see this before shipping
 
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