Automotive HID question

Candle Power Forums

Help Support Candle Power:

Members are reminded that on registration here they agreed to the following:

You agree, through your use of this BB, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly illegal or promotes illegal activity.
Any post violating that agreement should be reported to CPF staff, following which action may be taken against the offender.
 
How do you think the HIR bulb would compare to the Philips X-treme in the 9006?
 
It's dumb to mess around with "HID kit" hacks when you can have real, properly-engineered, DOT-certified, well-made HID headlamps in that truck from ValeoSylvania.

The stock housings are poorly focused even with proper bulbs, a nightmare with any kind of "HID kit", no matter how cool and awesome some people might think they look (they're safety devices, not toys; it doesn't matter how awesome they look). If you're keeping the stock housings, the best combination of beam focus and output will be achieved with Philips Xtreme Power 9006XP bulbs in the low beams. The highest output (not as good beam focus) is with Toshiba 9012 bulbs, which are no longer manufactured. Philips will be making a 3rd-generation 9012 starting in about 6 months.
 
Last edited:
Scheinwerfermann, do you have any links to online info about the new philips HIR bulbs that you referenced? I am happy to hear this because I have had a project on the back burner for a while and when toshiba discontinued their HIR offerings, I was like darn.
 
I dont think you understand what the cop was thinking. The lights are so bright that it appears that you have your high beams on. Had he wanted to he could have put you in jail:twothumbs for having the HID kit installed, and is what he should have done.

If your going HID, the only way is to retrofit.

Aside from that, Get one of these, http://www.mrtaillight.com/product_i...roducts_id=546

I promise that it will light up everything that you want it to, had one on my Tahoe for 6 years.
progress.gif

Aaaand still illegal.


Here is my take on that, you are VERY correct that it is still illegeal. However, the idea is that you only run your high beam lights when there is no one coming towards you, which means that there is no one there to blind with the extra light being on. Turn off the high beams and you are back to what was designed to be on when you were meeting cars on the roadway, lows and fogs.

I am a cop and I dont know that I could enforce the statue if the relay was the only upgrage.

Now, If you have HID's in your low beam halogen fixtures you CAN NOT, turn them off when you meet a car. You are now interfering with the oncoming cars ability to safely navigate the roadway, which means you are a HAZZARD to other drivers.
 
I am a cop and I dont know that I could enforce the statue if the relay was the only upgrage.

Now, If you have HID's in your low beam halogen fixtures you CAN NOT, turn them off when you meet a car. You are now interfering with the oncoming cars ability to safely navigate the roadway, which means you are a HAZZARD to other drivers.

You can't run with more than 2 pairs of lights at one time, but I certainly agree that there are worse things to do to a vehicle's lights than this (namely HID kits).
 
As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases. Product prices and availability are accurate as of the date/time indicated and are subject to change.
do you have any links to online info about the new philips HIR bulbs that you referenced?

I'm pretty sure the Phillips and Osram Night Breaker (another heavily hyped bulb) aren't HIR, and they certainly aren't HID. They are halogen bulbs that sling around terms like 'Xenon' to confuse consumers.

The Phillips gets away with it's claims because it uses a shorter filament at the same wattage level. This means it's produces a much brighter light over a smaller surface area, and hence Phillips gets away with it's claims about "80%" brighter and other crap. The bulb really puts out the same total light as factory lamp, but some people are stupid enough to believe the 'brighter' light claims...this is why marketing departments exist. A smart person would question why you don't see the Phillips technology in houshold light bulbs.

The answer is *some* headlamp housings are engineered to be optimized for a point light source, and others aren't. A smaller and more concentrated light source like the Phillips will show an improvement in some lamp housings and nothing in others. If you read dedicated car forums you'll find a mix of concensus on the Phillips, which corresponds to variations in lamp housing designs having the real bearing on the advantages of the Phillips. However, I have a problem with anybody claiming an improvement over bulb brands when 99.99% of the time the comparison is made with new 'high tech bulbs' -vs- old factory stock bulbs on their last legs.

Scheinwerfermann's claim it will produce a brighter projection though is bunk because the total light being emitted is the same. Some headlamp housings though will simply do a better job distributing it because there will be less overlap - provided the headlamp reflector is designed as such.
 
Blasterman, Is there a way to find out others opinions on whether the Philips X-Treme bulbs would benefit my particular application? What other websites might I explore on this topic?
Thanks.
Bob
 
I know, thanks for clarifying though. I am interested in more information about the philips HIR bulbs to be released in approx. 6 months, as mentioned by Scheinwerfermann.

Also, I found your mentioning of comparing "High-tech" bulbs with old, worn-out bulbs funny, because that is exactly what they do on every "special" bulb's package at the store.

HIR bulbs, though, I still thoroughly believe in. As both GE and Toshiba have discontinued their 9011 and 9012, I am hoping to see philips bring it back.
 
I'm pretty sure the Phillips and Osram Night Breaker (another heavily hyped bulb) aren't HIR

Correct. They aren't. AL has developed a new high-performance bi-halogen AFS-capable projector module, and it's based around the HIR2 (9012) bulb. AL worked with Philips to design a new-generation HIR2 bulb (which does not actually employ an infrared-reflective envelope; luminous flux and lifespan parameters are met with a modified filament winding and different fill gas -- this is actually for the better assuming they do pull it off); because the AL projector will soon be commercialized, the Philips HIR2 bulbs will likewise soon be commercialized. OE-only at first, then with aftermarket availability.

The "hype" over Philips Xtreme Power and Osram Night Breaker bulbs is mostly warranted, i.e., it's not hype.

The Phillips gets away with it's claims because it uses a shorter filament at the same wattage level. This means it's produces a much brighter light over a smaller surface area, and hence Phillips gets away with it's claims about "80%" brighter and other crap. The bulb really puts out the same total light as factory lamp, but some people are stupid enough to believe the 'brighter' light claims.

Mm…no. Compared to a standard bulb, filament changes are made to create the "Plus" (+30, +50, +80, +90...) type bulbs: generally the filament is wound with tighter pitch on a smaller mandrel. This gives increased filament luminance and improved beam focus (because the filament more closely approximates a point source). As a result, seeing distance is longer. Light color is whiter and less brown. The "plus" numbers refer to the increase in light at a point within the beam when the bulb is used in a headlamp, not to the luminous flux of the bulb itself. Accurate flux comparisons of the various types of headlight bulb have been posted numerous times, by me and others -- search and you'll find them and learn something.


A smart person would question why you don't see the Phillips technology in houshold light bulbs.

Perhaps, but an even smarter person would make sure he knows what he's talking about before talking about it. Wanna see the Philips technology employed in high-output headlight bulbs, but in household light bulbs? Go buy a Philips Halogená 40-watt 800-lumen bulb, to name one of many examples. We're going to see more and more such examples from all the major makers as household lighting minimum-efficacy regulations take effect.

*some* headlamp housings are engineered to be optimized for a point light source, and others aren't.

Wrong. All imaging headlamp optics (i.e., filament or arc, just not LED) are engineered and optimized for a point source. Every last one of them.

If you read dedicated car forums you'll find a mix of concensus

There's no such thing as a "mix of consensus"; look up "consensus" to learn what it means. And if you read dedicated car forums you'll find all manner of misinformed blather stridently presented as fact by people who don't know what they're talking about but still want to feel authoritative. That happens sometimes on lighting forums, too. Facts trump opinions and guesses and assumptions, every time.

Scheinwerfermann's claim it will produce a brighter projection though is bunk because the total light being emitted is the same.

Wrong again. Keep in mind, the regulated luminous flux for each and every headlight bulb type is expressed as a nominal value with an allowable tolerance of up to ±15%, which is an allowable intensity range of 30%. That's very large; it means for example that the low beam of an HB5 (9007) bulb is legally permitted to emit between 850 and 1150 lumens at 12.8v. Which level of flux would you rather have when driving at night? I'd rather have the 1150 than the 850, even if it means I will need to replace the bulbs sooner.
 
Last edited:
So for the money do you feel the Philips X-Treme would give me a noticeable improvement over stock bulbs? I'm familiar with HID as I have several HID handheld lights. I know nothing will be as bright as an HID setup but if I can get a reasonable increase in light output using the Philips bulbs than I'll buy them.
Thanks.
 
So for the money do you feel the Philips X-Treme would give me a noticeable improvement over stock bulbs?

They would give you a significant improvement, and I use the word "significant" in its technically correct sense: it means "real". You may or may not go "Wow, hey, that's super great!" when you shine one vs. the other against the garage door, but the Xtreme Power bulbs will improve the safety performance of your headlamps enough to be worth buying. Of course, it doesn't matter what bulbs you install if your lamps are not correctly aimed.
 
Interesting video and additional proof that many HID conversions do produce a great amount of light but are so poorly designed that they glare-blind other drivers and can create a significant danger to others.

Look cool but cause wrecks -- hmm, probably not a great trade off. I'll be happy to watch for more LEO's to start ticketing drivers for illegal or improper conversions kits. As I've posted before, a friend owns an EVO with factory HID's and he even finds those a pain to use because they have so little adjustment to keep from blinding other drivers but at least he is concerned about it and isn't like most racer/tuner wannabe's. He says he's checking them a lot.
 
GSX-1300R-

Awesome video! And welcome to CPF. :)


:buddies:

Thanks!

I hate conversion kits that so many people are doing these days. I actually retrofitted a hid projector into my motorcycle instead of throwing a kit in there like so many others do with the same bike. If anyone wants to see the project let me know and I will post it up.

I believe people just do it for the looks (like the ricers and idiots out there) and do not research what they are actually doing. I have read so much about HID (automotive) and have done a little work with it as well that it kills me to see ignorant people put others at risk.
 
But two of the hotwire regulators offered for sale in the forum. You will need a dc to dc stepup to feed it with. Then, crank the voltage up till it's where you want it.
 
Just pray that you don't cause an accident, because you would be SO liable.
Like every penny to your name liable.

Yup.

If I were a juror, I'd be glad to find you guilty and award everything you have (and then some) to the plaintiff.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top