$150, tactical, single output @ 1,000+ lm for 1+hr

[bykfixer]

Changed a few words after seeing your post Archi.

We're walking a tight rope here trying to discuss the matter in detail without going down the rabbit hole.

Another potential option would be to check with local police on potential low light training courses, where officers are trained in these tactics. Way more likely to receive tips us flashlight junkies did not mention (or know).

 

[Keitho]

That 1000 lumens for an hour is an efficiency and heat management challenge. Something that fits in a pocket won't maintain 1000+ lumens for an hour without overheating, and only the more efficient driver/LED combos will even be able to get that much energy out of an 18650. When I want the most efficient single mode light, I go with Zebralight, something like the SC64. Side switch, can be programmed to be single mode or many other configurations, and the most efficient buck/boost driver that I've found for getting all the possible juice out of an 18650. Sorry, not USB rechargeable--swap 18650's to extend the runtime indefinitely.

If you want a single-mode tail switch, you might have fun starting with the FW3A. The driver is not as efficient as a ZL, but the ability to set it to momentary at any level, multi-mode, candle mode, and a bunch of other choices might inform your next light--its a fun $35 experiment in how you actually will use your light. Also not USB chargeable.

 

[peter yetman]

Folks who know this hobby well tend to toss around terms and phrases............

Good write up, Mike.
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[bykfixer]

I remember a time thinking "wth are these people talking about? CRI, MOP, NIMH, TIR, XPG etc"

We all speak CPF. New folks often do not. So our lanuage is like a south Korean fellow entering a Mexican police station to ask how to hale a taxi-cab.

 

[Rexlion]

For the stated purpose, I'd opt for a Malkoff LED drop-in for a 4D Maglite. While it's only about 700 lumens, you'd have a single mode light that's very durable with good runtime and, if approached in an unwelcome manner, you'd also have a hefty club for self defense.

 

[archimedes]

For the stated purpose, I'd opt for a Malkoff LED drop-in for a 4D Maglite. While it's only about 700 lumens, you'd have a single mode light that's very durable with good runtime and, if approached in an unwelcome manner, you'd also have a hefty club for self defense.

Did you not see this, above ? ....

.... on CPF, flashlights are tools to illuminate (only) .... no more talk of "blinding" here please. Thank you.

Nor of "clubbing" ... with or without winking emoji, thanks.

 

[CREEXHP70LED]

I remember a time thinking "wth are these people talking about? CRI, MOP, NIMH, TIR, XPG etc"

We all speak CPF. New folks often do not. So our lanuage is like a south Korean fellow entering a Mexican police station to ask how to hale a taxi-cab.

That is what google is for...

 

[QMT93]

@bykfixer

Thank you for this! So far, I've read http://www.asos1.com/flashlight/flashlight01.htm#fb (Flashlight basic), https://illuminationgear.com/p/faq-cool-vs-neutral-etc, working through this LED and other stuff (title) http://budgetlightforum.com/node/26665 (particularly dense)

Where else can I find information close to what you mentioned?

 

[QMT93]

Please see the wise words below ....



Yes, on CPF, flashlights are tools to illuminate (only)



Yes, well, then no more talk of "blinding" here please. Thank you.

Agreed

 

[peter yetman]

And CPF is for learning and passing our knowledge on to others.
I expect someone on here was generous enough to grant you some slack when you were a new kid.
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[QMT93]

Changed a few words after seeing your post Archi.

We're walking a tight rope here trying to discuss the matter in detail without going down the rabbit hole.

Another potential option would be to check with local police on potential low light training courses, where officers are trained in these tactics. Way more likely to receive tips us flashlight junkies did not mention (or know).

That's on our list as well.

 

[CREEXHP70LED]

In the end just remember this...

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[QMT93]

For the stated purpose, I'd opt for a Malkoff LED drop-in for a 4D Maglite. While it's only about 700 lumens, you'd have a single mode light that's very durable with good runtime .

As far as I understand, Malkoff and Elzetta are modular lights that can be assembled and disassembled? Do I have to deal with electric wiring, voltage, epoxy, etc., or just choose the components and put them together like Legos?

Where can I read more about this?

 

[QMT93]

In the end just remember this...

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If the meme is saying, "Do your research before buying, don't just go for big brands", then yes, I got that. Not sure if I'm missing anything.

 

[CREEXHP70LED]

That's on our list as well.

Most of the cops I know will go with a thrower/ flooder mix more than a flooder. (Incase tinted windows or a fleeing subject if they are not to lazy to chase). Not a slam to LEOS. I have been told by several of them at a party that. (Alcohol was the info extractor) You are seriously WAY overthinking this.

 

[QMT93]

Most of the cops I know will go with a thrower/ flooder mix more than a flooder. (Incase tinted windows or a fleeing subject if they are not to lazy to chase). Not a slam to LEOS. I have been told by several of them at a party that. (Alcohol was the info extractor) You are seriously WAY overthinking this.

I guess so.

By "LEOS", are you referring to a brand name https://www.nebotools.com/c/Lights/16, or a type of light?

 

[peter yetman]

Law Enforcement Officers.
The modular stuff is like Lego, no wires or epoxy involved. That's just for geeks like me.
Have a look on the Malkoff site. He makes various sized bodies, which will fit various heads and a couple of tails. Some of the heads are self contained ( Hound Dog, Wildcat) and some heads will take Drop ins, which are small modules that contain an led, reflector and driver (which controls the electrical power delivered from the battery to the led)
You can mix and match all this stuff as long as you pay attention to voltage contraints. If in doubt ask about it in the Malkoff thread or ask Gene Malkoff. Yes, he answers the phone and your Emails himself.
If you are as green as you appear to be, a Malkoff light would be a very sensible purchase. The after sales service from Malkoff and the wealth of information on here will keep you safe and also prevent you wasting money.
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[CREEXHP70LED]

If the meme is saying, "Do your research before buying, don't just go for big brands", then yes, I got that. Not sure if I'm missing anything.

No, I made the meme several days ago when bored. I own both lights and they were comparing the pros and cons of each light on different reviews outside the forums. I just decided to make the meme because they both are really worth it in my opinion.

 

[CREEXHP70LED]

Ya know.....I am sorta feeling like we are getiing borderline trolled on this one. I am not accusing anyone, but it seems a little fishy.

 

[QMT93]

Law Enforcement Officers.
The modular stuff is like Lego, no wires or epoxy involved. That's just for geeks like me.
Have a look on the Malkoff site. He makes various sized bodies, which will fit various heads and a couple of tails. Some of the heads are self contained ( Hound Dog, Wildcat) and some heads will take Drop ins, which are small modules that contain an led, reflector and driver (which controls the electrical power delivered from the battery to the led)
You can mix and match all this stuff as long as you pay attention to voltage contraints. If in doubt ask about it in the Malkoff thread or ask Gene Malkoff. Yes, he answers the phone and your Emails himself.
If you are as green as you appear to be, a Malkoff light would be a very sensible purchase. The after sales service from Malkoff and the wealth of information on here will keep you safe and also prevent you wasting money.
P

I see. Thanks!

And yes, I just started reading about flashlights last week, so I am as green as my questions are.

To be honest, initially I thought Malkoff was an overpriced Chinese brand because "Malkoff" instantly relates me to "mock-up". Yup, I'm that green.

It took me until yesterday to know a bit more about Malkoff, Elzetta, Pflexor, and HDSsystem. I think the consensus is that these are high quality, with Malkoff offering drop-ins (Lego pieces?) for themselves, Elzetta, Surefire, Maglite, Elzetta having 4 models, and HDSsytem taking customized orders. I just can't find many detailed reviews on their models, and haven't learned a lot about drop-ins. Thanks to you, I know a bit more.