Polarion PH-50 Main Thread

guiri said:

Pardon my ignorance but shouldn't the difference be bigger?

I mean, 500 vs 5000 lumens?

George

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Yes, you would think 500 lumens would do better than that....

guiri said:

Pardon my ignorance but shouldn't the difference be bigger?

I mean, 500 vs 5000 lumens?

George

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George, keep in mind that a 2x difference is just enough to be
noticed. You really
need 3x to 4x for your eyes to see "TWICE" the light. For example, 500 lumens
versus 1000 lumens would just be noticable. 500 lumens and 2000 lumens would
appear to be twice as bright.

guiri said:

Pardon my ignorance but shouldn't the difference be bigger?

I mean, 500 vs 5000 lumens?

George

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I believe the discrepancy lies in the fact that M6 with MN21 on fresh primary batteries is actually more than 500 lumens. The rating is an average taken from lumens out of the front of the light, not just bulb lumens. The MN21 is then being overdriven on two 18650's, making it even brighter than with the primary battery configuration. The M6/MN21 in the photo is really over achieving, so the PH50 isn't going to appear ten times brighter than the M6...maybe more like 5 times brighter. 4sevens makes an excellent point concerning the apparent brightness variations which I think explains any remaining suggested loss by the PH50.

Patriot36 said:

I believe the discrepancy lies in the fact that M6 with MN21 on fresh primary batteries is actually more than 500 lumens. The rating is an average taken from lumens out of the front of the light, not just bulb lumens. The MN21 is then being overdriven on two 18650's, making it even brighter than with the primary battery configuration. The M6/MN21 in the photo is really over achieving, so the PH50 isn't going to appear ten times brighter than the M6...maybe more like 5 times brighter. 4sevens makes an excellent point concerning the apparent brightness variations which I think explains any remaining suggested loss by the PH50.

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To me that picture APPEARS 4x as bright - which according to my estimations
is 500 X 4 X 4 = 8000 lumens. If you've played around with as many lights as I
have your eyes start to be able gauge lumens. Absolute perception is
difficult, but when compared to a calibrated or verified source, you can get
easily get ballpark figure easily

4sevens said:

George, keep in mind that a 2x difference is just enough to be
noticed. You really
need 3x to 4x for your eyes to see "TWICE" the light. For example, 500 lumens
versus 1000 lumens would just be noticable. 500 lumens and 2000 lumens would
appear to be twice as bright.

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Well, I read that here somewhere which is why I didn't write something like 10x but I figured the difference should be MORE pronounced than what I see in the pictures.

George

Pictures tell a story, but not the whole story. Every situation and set of exposures can be different.

On scene searching with your own eyes/vision (the intended use for these lights) will let you know how much 5,000 lumens of properly harnessed light is compared to 500 lumens.
There is really no comparison in terms of actual capability to see in the ranges the HID starts flexing its muscles.

Here is a 4,000 lumen Poalrion PH40:
http://polarion-usa.com/images/PolarionPH40-4000Lumen.jpg
Note what you can see

Here is a Microfire that claims 3,200 lumens:
http://polarion-usa.com/images/MF-Claim3200Lumen.jpg

Here is a best of breed Surefire 500 lumen light:
http://polarion-usa.com/images/SFM6-500Lumen.jpg
This barely has enough light/throw to reflect light off the far goalpost on this football field

Ken J. Good said:

Here is a Microfire that claims 3,200 lumens:
http://polarion-usa.com/images/MF-Claim3200Lumen.jpg

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They actually claim 3500 lumens....which is even more comical :ironic:

Ken J. Good said:

Here is a Microfire that claims 3,200 lumens:
http://polarion-usa.com/images/MF-Claim3200Lumen.jpg

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Looking at the pics, I'm thinking Microfire is laying it on pretty thick

Here is a PH50 comparison reposted:

M6 MN21


PH50



The helpful thing about the picture above is that it's a stock M6 with HOLA. I'm assuming Ken's picture is also. Remember that the picture Adam posted of the M6 is a fairly high performance mod.

PH50 Diffuser Filter

How is the fit? My protection filter/screen fits Ok but isn't as tight as I'd like it. I think I'll find that I am checking to be sure it is on when I'll be walking around with it and using it for the protection feature.


Karl

Nice pics Adam. It looks to be very well made. I was also curious about the fit and if it was any tighter than the way Karl described his.

I guess it won't fall off but I 'd prefer if I had to use a bit more umph (ergs?) of force to get it on and off of the front of the light. My use is is for protection of the lens though and I won't be using it when in operation rather transportation so I guess it's OK...


Karl

I know what you mean Karl. You'd like the thing to be perfect and I don't blame you. My feeling is that there shouldn't be any play or wiggle at all.

Props to Adam for posting the best pictures that I've ever seen of the diffuser. It makes me want to buy one. I really like to get some word about the updated battery though. It's been a very long wait since the announcement.

Hope your 4th is turning out well Paul! Weather a bit gloomy out here in the East with overcast skies and chance of rain. I understand hot out in your neck of the woods.

I'm not holding my breath for the higher capacity power supply somehow...just not sure we'll see this...


Karl

karlthev said:

Hope your 4th is turning out well Paul! Weather a bit gloomy out here in the East with overcast skies and chance of rain. I understand hot out in your neck of the woods.

I'm not holding my breath for the higher capacity power supply somehow...just not sure we'll see this...


Karl

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Thanks Karl. It was a furnace out here yesterday...about 114 with some humidity. :sweat: Today it's a little less, under 110 I think. Clouds actually sound really nice right now. We're entering into the monsoon season now so maybe we'll get some shade one of these days.

With the lack of news or update I probably shouldn't be holding my breath either. It will be here when it's here, right!
:sigh:

Great picture of the diffuser Adam! I have a newer PH40( thanks to you guys and all the PH40/50 threads that I kept reading!) that I was thinking of getting one for. I'm thinking it turns it into a great area light?
Karl, looking forward to see your PH50 at PF12 or is it 11? Also just aquired a Graham Razel after seeing yours at the PF.
Paul- 114 with humidity! Holy cow!

Happy 4th, Sandy

PH50 w/ Diffuser Filter vs. PH50 w/o Diffuser Filter

Beam Shape: w/ Diffuser Filter | w/o Diffuser Filter


88 Yards: Control | w Diffuser Filter | w/o Diffuser Filter (Target = Play Structure @ 88 Yards)


135 Yards: w/o Diffuser Filter | w/ Diffuser Filter (Target = Tree @ 135 Yards)


105 Yards: w/o Diffuser Filter (Trailer @ 30 Yards) | w/ Diffuser Filter (Target = Tree @ 105 Yards)


White Wall: w/o Diffuser Filter | w/ Diffuser Filter




Beam Profile: w/ Diffuser Filter | w/o Diffuser Filter


Spill Pattern: w/o Diffuser Filter (Wall @ 25 Yards) | w/ Diffuser Filter (Target = Tree @ 55 Yards)


Quick Shot: w/ Diffuser Filter | w/o Diffuser Filter (Target = Tree @ 100 Yards)


Additional NotesDiffuser Filter Initial Impressions

Thanks again Adam. This accessory is growing on me more and more. I had just assumed it was a type of lexan material, so to hear that it is most likely glass further stirs my interest. I might have to order one now.

Awesome diffuser filter! This light is amazing!!!!!!!

:twothumbs

LOL Patriot! I hate that kind of heat + humidity.