knucklegary
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As customers probably know, SF does offer discounts to Leo/Mil/Emt. It's a small percentage, CA it gets eaten up by taxes, but every little bit helps
SureFire EDC1-DFT and EDC2-DFT
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Yes, very true.
But different story for us civilians.
knucklegary
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Mono, Do you have any Mil background, veteran? If you can qualify ID.me you're eligible. Security Guards, I'd apply, the worse they can say is no..
I really appreciate that. Thank you. However, as mentioned before, I'm good with my SF collection. Also, won't lie. No Military background. Applied to the Army about 20 years ago. Recruiter even stopped by my home. Took one look at me, determined I would have no chance of passing Basic Training. Even told me not to bother applying to any of the other branches. Thankfully I've gotten a better body since then.
aznsx
Flashlight Enthusiast
If so, you'll probably never know it, since AFAIK SF does not normally provide output / time graphs or similarly detailed specifications for their products. I guess they feel they don't need to in order to sell them to their customer base - and they may well be correct in that assumption. Why invite more competitive product comparison by providing such data if no one is demanding it?
I think you can assume that the majority of their customer base probably doesn't / didn't share your fondness for that feature, and thus it is unlikely to return.
It would have to serve coffee and breakfast to me every day for me to spend that kind of money. I don't know how they justify their pricing, but the fact is they obviously don't have to, because their customer base will buy them anyway.
Price your products low enough and a % of people will buy them even if they're junk. Conversely, price them high enough, and another % of people will buy them just because of that. It's
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There are plenty of "discount" SureFire products at the big A and the Bay. Some are actually close copies.
A trusted associate told me he was working on a project in secret. Where he was at secret ideas stayed secret about as long as two shakes of a lambs tail. He heard of a fisherman who was quite the machinist and set out to find the guy. This guy was producing clone SureFire products that even SureFire couldn't tell were fakes. My friend said it took 12 hours to find the guy at a place even google earth didn't have on their map. He said when he first talked to the fellow the fellow thought he was sent by SureFire to "off" him. Instead he hired the guy to build a product he had designed but wanted to ensure the idea wasn't stolen before the first prototypes could be built.
Heck if I was willing to pay $300 for a flashlight I'd own an HDS. If my career involved potential death by perp or sworn enemy I'd probably consider these new DFT SureFire products. But for the occasional dog walk or finding a crayon under the sofa it's kinda hard to justify anything over $150.
A trusted associate told me he was working on a project in secret. Where he was at secret ideas stayed secret about as long as two shakes of a lambs tail. He heard of a fisherman who was quite the machinist and set out to find the guy. This guy was producing clone SureFire products that even SureFire couldn't tell were fakes. My friend said it took 12 hours to find the guy at a place even google earth didn't have on their map. He said when he first talked to the fellow the fellow thought he was sent by SureFire to "off" him. Instead he hired the guy to build a product he had designed but wanted to ensure the idea wasn't stolen before the first prototypes could be built.
Heck if I was willing to pay $300 for a flashlight I'd own an HDS. If my career involved potential death by perp or sworn enemy I'd probably consider these new DFT SureFire products. But for the occasional dog walk or finding a crayon under the sofa it's kinda hard to justify anything over $150.
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aznsx
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If I'm not mistaken you have an Elzetta Alpha, and if so, even if your needs were more critical, I'd see no real case for spending twice the price for an HDS (JMHO). I imagine that Alpha would 'get you home' just as well from what I can tell
Well, actually we'll find out when we get our hands on them. I did not buy many of their creations only because of this forum and reviews, where all their characteristics were tested
As for the gas pedal, it's not about the customer base, it's most likely that they didn't make it so that gas lovers buy EDC-L2/1T. The usual division of products so that they do not compete with each other. If they abruptly curtailed the production of L1/2T and concentrated on DFT, then they would introduce gas to DFT
Can you ask the contact of that machinist? I'm wondering if he can make a large accurate reflector that is part of the head like a dominator or U2, one of my friends would like to make a powerful flashlight
chillinn
Flashlight Enthusiast
Underrated. Things falling under other things and rolling out of sight is easily among my top 3 reasons for carrying a light. Also, superb comment, bykfixer. Not a word wasted.
aznsx
Flashlight Enthusiast
You may well be right. That sort of product / feature structuring is sometimes done, but it can also be a dangerous game to play that can 'bite you'. However, they may be into that. We'll see if it's a net plus for them.
More will clearly be determined by 3rd party testers, however keep in mind that a lot of customers in their base will buy the lights anyway without that detailed information. As always, the highly informed customers always get to the bottom of things, but I doubt they represent the majority of their target segment, so my point it that they're probably better off not putting that level of detail out there right up front, and probably won't - for the reasons I've mentioned.
They also don't normally provide an FL1-compliant impact rating, which most others do and which I consider important, but I doubt any 3rd party tester will be doing testing like that, so they can't make up for all the documentation deficiencies (just for one example of that).
Dave D
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aznsx
Flashlight Enthusiast
If the P1R was SF's first foray into 18650 lights, I'd really like to know when that was released - just for my own curiosity and 'picture' of the industry timeline / history of such things. Perhaps someone remembers / knows?
Dave D
Flashlight Enthusiast
The Surefire P1R Peacekeeper was released in 2014, it was available in two versions, the dual output version that came on in high mode and a second press activates low mode and the Tactical version which was high only.
The Tactical, single output version was eventually dropped from production and the Micro-USB rechargeable version never made it to production. The above is image from the SF 2016 catalogue.
Check out Jim Basham's excellent write up on Flashlightguide.com
SF P1R Peacekeeper review
aznsx
Flashlight Enthusiast
Thank you, Sir!! In some respects the lithium ion power supply is arguably one of the most significant advances (in concert with LED development of course) that have influenced the flashlights we use today, and Surefire has arguably been one of the most significant players in that market over time. That makes info regarding the intersection of those two things significant from a historical perspective. This is much like the similar intersection which took place with the Streamlight Strion (which of course also featured the in-light recharging system element) a good many years prior to this (and which has been discussed in another thread recently). I find it very interesting to pause and reflect on how we got to where we are today. Thanks for this input! Edit: It's also interesting to me to note the 'tap/double-tap H/L' interface this light used, as that same interface is featured on one of my favorite carry lights today (ASP), and similar to one of SL's Ten-Tap options on several of my other favorite lights.
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rwolfenstein
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I find it funny that I see all these videos of the surefire EDC DFT 1 and 2. They already have the turbo scout lights out and the turbo x300/x400 out. Dammit release it already! All complaining aside, supposedly a month from now (per the video) it should be available at 300 bucks per.
Says nothing about the DFT's, another useless Surefire employee conversation that does not give prices and promises everything for the 1Q of the year...yes right!
Correct: around 5" vs. 4.5" for the EDCL1-T.
At ~ 5" long and a bezel diameter of 2.258", the 18350 EDCL1-DFT is roughly the same size as the classic 6P, so these are not compact lights, certainly not as compact as an E-series light.
WarriorOfLight
Flashlight Enthusiast
The EDCL1 and EDCL2 can not be a compact E Series light because of the 18mm rechargeable cell diameter of 18350 and 18650.
It is impossible to bore an E -Series body for 18mm cells.
The EDCL2 will be in the same size like the P1R or the Fury DFT. The EDCL1 will have a larger Body diameter in compare to the 1 cell E Series light like Backup, or E1L, ....
But at all both lights are somehow interesting due to the fact tey support normal LiIon cells, no LFP, no CR123 only...
This is false. I have multiple E Series bored to fit 18350 and 18650 cells.
