08 Scion XB Low Beam upgrade??

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Hello to you all, I am not very happy with the low beam headlamp in my car. They are H11-55w. Other than putting in HID's which I don't have the $ nor do I know how to install them is there a replacement bulb that will give me a brighter whiter field of vision? I am going on a long trip and know I will have some issues on the dark areas on the highway. I thank you all for any advice you can share with me, Bill
 
Hi, Bill and welcome to CPF.
Since HID is out of your range, I would either go with some Sylvania Silverstars, or the Xtra-Vision. See this Tread. It might help your decision. http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=192711

From my own experience, I can tell you that my silverstars were very bright compared to the stock halogens in my vehicle. As for the Xtra-Vision, I cant say alot about those because I havent used them before. Hopefully the afore mentioned thread will help.

Trevor.
 
In all reality if you can put a stock halogen bulb in you can install an HID kit. Its not hard. Wait a lil longer and save up some bucks for an HID kit you wont believe the difference.
 
Putting an HID capsule into a headlight housing designed for a halogen bulb is both dangerous and illegal. You'll blind every other driver on the road, and we're all other drivers. Silvania Silverstars are garbage; adding a colored filter that removes light does NOT increase brightness. Silverstars have both the least lumens and the least life of any other bulb Silvania makes in that specification, while being the most expensive.

A better choice would be a quality +30 or +50 bulb by a reputable manufacturer. You probably have long life bulbs right now, which sacrifice brightness for extra bulb life, to get the car past the warranty period. There are lots of good options; Narva Rangepower, Osram(NOT Silvania) Silverstar, Hella(not Optilux, that's their ricer brand), Cibie, etc. available. If that's not enough, rewire your headlights with large wires and relays to deliver full power to the bulbs. A 10% drop in voltage to a halogen bulb causes a 46% drop in light output. Doesn't take much to really rob you of lumens.

Just remember, if the bulb has a colored coating, it is NOT producing any more light.

:buddies:
 
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In all reality if you can put a stock halogen bulb in you can install an HID kit. Its not hard. Wait a lil longer and save up some bucks for an HID kit you wont believe the difference.

I agree with this as long as you have projectors to put out a controlled beam (correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the 08 XB does).
Don't go for one of the 100 dollar sets off ebay though, as they are junk.
 
"HID kits" in halogen-bulb headlamps do not work safely or effectively, which is why they are illegal. See here. This is the case whether you have a halogen reflector headlamp or a halogen projector headlamp — and no amount of marketing hype or uninformed "Yeah, looks okay to me, I love it, it's great" chatter on the internet can change that.

Silver Stars and all other blue-glass "extra white" bulbs are not the way to see better. All they do is tint the light, they don't intensify it. The debate over this immutable fact comes from advertising hype on the one hand, and the fact that "brightness" is a subjective impression that means nothing in terms of how much light (or how much usable light) is present; the one and only valid measure of that is intensity. It's like "loudness", which is the same kind of subjective impression with regard to sound (in that case the only valid measure is sound pressure level).

The Osram Night Breaker already linked is the highest-output H11 presently available. If you want more than that, you can usually without much of any difficulty replace the H11 (around 1300 lumens, nominal) with an H9 (around 2100 lumens, nominal) like this one. Unlike an "HID kit", this swap works safely in headlamps like the ones on your xB because the filament size, shape, orientation and placement are all the same in H11 vs. H9. You may have to shave a small ridge of plastic off the H9 bulb's connector so your H11 socket will snap on. Other than that, it's a direct swap.

Which way is most effective? H9. You get more light.
Which way is most cost-effective? Probably H9 there, too. The H11 is a popular choice for low beams because (among other factors) of its very long life, but this comes at the expense of filament luminance and luminous flux (and resultant headlamp beam intensity). Night Breakers have higher luminance and somewhat higher luminous flux, but cost a lot and have a relatively short lifespan similar to that of the standard, ordinary H9. That plain H9 has very high luminance and flux, much higher than any H11, and doesn't cost a lot. So whichever way you go, you're looking at shorter bulb life, but you would get a great deal more light with an H9 swap.

There's supposed to be a base keying difference that prevents the interchange of different bulb types (like H9 in place of H11) but in fact the base keying isn't different enough to prevent the swap, it's just enough to require you to jiggle and wiggle the H9 into the H11 holder. :)
 
"HID kits" in halogen-bulb headlamps do not work safely or effectively, which is why they are illegal. See here.
The Osram Night Breaker already linked is the highest-output H11 presently available. If you want more than that, you can usually without much of any difficulty replace the H11 (around 1300 lumens, nominal) with an H9 (around 2100 lumens, nominal) like this one. Unlike an "HID kit", this swap works safely in headlamps like the ones on your xB because the filament size, shape, orientation and placement are all the same in H11 vs. H9. You may have to shave a small ridge of plastic off the H9 bulb's connector so your H11 socket will snap on. Other than that, it's a direct swap.

The H9 seems like the logical way to go. My concern and question is this and please excuse my ignorance, if the H9 bulb puts out almost double the lumens and they are 65 watts, would this cause any risk of fire or meltdown being that the H11's are 55watts? I am concerned because I am going on a 2600 mile roundtrip and don't want to have any trouble on the road. I also drive during the day with my lights on for safety.
Thank you to all of you for all the great information you have provided.
 
I don't know.Seems to me the h9 being a high beam bulb,wouldn't using it be like driving around with the high beams on all the time?

Andy
 
I don't know.Seems to me the h9 being a high beam bulb,wouldn't using it be like driving around with the high beams on all the time?

Andy

Well the reflector's in your headlight should prevent that.. High beams usually have a different set of reflector's that scatters the light..
 
Well the reflector's in your headlight should prevent that.. High beams usually have a different set of reflector's that scatters the light..

True but the h11 has a painted tip that blocks the light coming directly from the filament.The h9 lacks this feature.Might cause excessive glare to oncoming traffic?

Andy
 
The black tip on the H11 is there for (minimal) control of direct glare in reflector-type lamps without bulb shields. A projector lamp's built-in cutoff shield gives (complete) control of this kind of glare, whether the bulb does or doesn't have a blacked-off tip.

The beam pattern is determined by the placement, size, shape, and orientation of the light source together with the optical system (lens/reflector/projector). There are plenty of low beam optics that use bulbs more commonly used in high beams.

And no, in this case the additional 10 watts won't make any trouble with power draw or with heat.
 
Since Toyota sells Scions as discount vehicles, what is the likelihood that the wiring to & from the bulb isn't as large as it should be?

Upgrade the wiring first, then try an H9 'retrofit' next.
 
It's a good bet, considering the standard Toyota and even the Lexus(Toyota's premium brand) headlights are not adequately wired either. :buddies:
 
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