18650 battery question/advice

mikekoz

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I have an unprotected 18650, about a year old, that appears to no longer charge. It tests 3.0v on a tester. Did the battery discharge too much and is it now unusable? Should I even TRY to recharge it? Is there a chance of these cells venting or exploding in single cell lights? I have read stories of lithium ion batteries doing this, but in each case, it was in a light that used two of the cells. Any help would be appreciated!

One more question: Is using 18650's from laptop battery packs safe?? I have a bunch of them!


Mike
 
To the best of my knowledge, 3.0 volts is not too low to recharge. These cells should have a very long shelf life. As for using laptop cells, I see no problem with that either, so long as you follow the same safe usage techniques you would with any other lithium battery as far as charging, discharging, and unbalancing. In fact, I am looking for a pair of decent unprotected laptop cells right now.

All the 18650 cells we are using, so far as I know, are pretty much manufactured for the intent of laptops I would figure, but I guess that could be wrong. But either way, Panasonic, Sony, LG, most all the quality cells are made for laptops. The difference is in the protection circuit, yours obviously don't have them, and I imagine yours are flat top with some sort of bus bars on them? Any sort of markings?
 
What do you mean by "it no longer charges"? What charger are you using, and what error is it giving you?

If it's old and used/abused, it probably just developed very high internal resistance, in which case you should recycle it. It really shouldn't be a source of trouble of the BANG-WHOOSH kind, though.
 
What do you mean by "it no longer charges"? What charger are you using, and what error is it giving you?

If it's old and used/abused, it probably just developed very high internal resistance, in which case you should recycle it. It really shouldn't be a source of trouble of the BANG-WHOOSH kind, though.

I have a Tenergy charger and when I put the battery in it, the charging indicator flashes red then green real quickly. The indicator on the AC adapter stays green. Normally, the indicator on the charger is red while charging, then green when finished. I was using this battery in my Wolf Eyes Guider a few weeks ago and it was fine. Now when I put it in the WE, the charger stays green like it is either doing nothing (unconnected from the light), or indicating a full charge. The battery is only about a year old and has been lightly used. Thank you all for the help by the way!:wave:

Mike
 
Don't know about the one cell you refer to. Most likely either it or the charger are bad - and if the charger works with other cells, it's a safe bet it's the cell.

One more question: Is using 18650's from laptop battery packs safe?? I have a bunch of them!
It's inherently less safe than using protected cells. Laptop packs have protection built in, but only for the whole pack - once you harvest the cells out of it, those are unprotected.

However, cylindrical LiIon cells are inherently not terribly dangerous. Yes, you can get one to blow if you really try, but just using an unprotected cell is very unlikely to give you serious trouble. You can kill the cell by overdischarging it (or overcharging it, but since you're using a LiIon charger I assume that's not a problem), but it'll just stop being useable - it won't blow like a large firecracker.

Should you for some reason decide that it'd be a good idea to connect your car battery to a 18650, however, all bets are off. Even in that case you shouldn't count on it to grenade, because 18650 cells (possibly others too) have safety terminals that disconnect permanently if way too much current flows - though I wouldn't bet my life on supercheap ones having this feature.

However, note that LiIons do blow if physically damaged enough - puncturing them, for instance, is a good way to get them to ignite (that'll happen to protected cells too, of course). However, it takes quite some strength to break the metal casing of a 18650.

This is in contrast to unprotected, high-discharge-current LiPo cells for RC use, which are just plastic baggies with no metal protection whatsoever. They are known to blow if you look at them wrong, and there are plenty of videos on the 'tube of people fireballing old, disused or damaged LiPos for fun.
 
Hello Mike,

It sounds like your cell has developed high internal resistance. As soon as you put it into the charger, it is indicating full charge, but when you go to use it, it has no charge.

One way to check this is to charge the cell, remove it from the charger and let it sit for a half hour, then measure the open circuit voltage. It should be above 4.0 volts.

Tom
 
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