3.0v LiIs fried two Surefire lamps?

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I got a pair of 3.0v LiIs and a charger from DX at the same time I ordered two of the Cree SF dropins, and yesterday I tried them for the first time in a G2 that had a regular P60 lamp in it. Bright flash and the lamp was dead. I thought, Well, maybe the lamp was getting ready to croak anyway, so I put them in my E2D...Flash, dead lamp.

Are these things just not usable in incan Surefires?
 
RCR123A's at 3.0v will instaflash the stock E2D bulb assembly. I even instaflashed a stock E2D bulb with 3.0v RCR123A's with 3 days of rest. What you want to do is keep the 3.0v's and get a Lumens Factory bulb rated at 7.2v. You can find them here:

http://www.lumensfactory.com/products.php?cat_id=5

My personal choice is the EO-E2R (7.2V, 150 Lumens) Extreme High Output Lamp Assembly. It is made specifically for 3.6v RCR123A's

If you call or email Surefire, they will tell you to run their E series lights only on CR123A's, and not to use rechargables (RCR123A), even at 3.0v.
 
Oh, well, there was 40 bucks up in smoke.

Does anyone make a Cree drop-in for the e2D?

Oh, and are the 3.0V RCR123s safe for a Streamlight TL2LED?
 
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Oh, and are the 3.0V RCR123s safe for a Streamlight TL2LED?

don't bother trying.

what's happening is this:
lamps designed for use with 2xCR123s in mind have a target voltage with the voltage sag of those cells in mind. at ~1amp, (region of most lamps for these lights) CR123s deliver about 2.5V each. So they make a 5V lamp. Problem is.. those rechargable "3.0V" cells, are actually 3.7V cells, with a voltage regulator built in. The regulator tries to pull the voltage down to ~3V... they don't replicate the behavior of CR123s, they just try to come close for other electronics, many devices, (like a camera) are often not as sensative to this difference. In reality, many of those "3.0V" cells will actually deliver ~3.2V per cell under a ~1amp load. So a lamp designed for 5V, is seeing 6.4V instead. The result it that the ~25 hour life rating at 5V, drops to about 1 hour at 6.4V, and whenever a lamp re-rates below about 10 hours, it's in instaflash territory on startup.

the other problem is that, the voltage regulators built into these cells are very inefficiant. about 20-40% of the power the cell is delivering is wasted as heat... which is a problem all by iteself; li-ion cells are sensative to heat. wrap em up in a heat generating flashlight, and you have a recipe for disaster.

So basically, when dealing with flashlights, my personal recomendation is to avoid "3.0V" rechargable li-ion cells at all costs. They just don't provide a good solution, there aren't any incandecent lamps available for tactical flashlights that are optimized for them.

click on the link in my signature... and then choose a configuration. If you have any other configuration questions feel free to ask around here, I'll do what I can :)
 
Thanks for the assist. Looks like I have some reading to do.
 
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