AA vs CR123 performance comparison?

Wacki

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Many enthusiasts seek 1xAA and 2xAA lights (which require more expensive circuitry to boost the voltage necessary to light the LED) because of the ubiquity and power of AA cells. In top quality lights, 1xAA cells are approaching the output of CR123 lights--the performance gap is closing.

Fenix E11 = 105 lumens for 1 hour 50 minutes
http://www.fenixlight.com/viewproduct.asp?id=151\

Fenix PD22 = 190 lumens for 2 hours
http://www.fenixlight.com/viewproduct.asp?id=163

Looks to me like there is still a huge gap. What is he talking about?
 

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You're referencing to the headlamp forum where Zebralight is a runaway favorite, and arguable one of the most efficient AA manufacturers. Go to ZLs website and compare a H51 to H31... not much difference, and that's with an Eneloop vs a Lithium primary. Put a AA Lithium primary (the L91) for an apples to apples comparison and the H51 will be right there with the H31 including runtimes (same total watt-hrs of energy). Widely available, cheap and safe chemistries like Alkalines and NiMh are just additional options, but only to the AA user.

If you want to run 3.7V Li-ion rechargeables in a light like the Quarks, SWM Vs, and JB RRTs, the AA-sized 14500 with have significantly more capacity than the RCR123/16340 (750mah vs 600-650 mah) but otherwise will have the same max lumen output.

In most lights it is true that a CR123 primary will be able to double the lumen output vs a Li/NiMh/Alk due to the higher voltage, but even then, it is important to note that this doubling will only be perceived as a 40% increase to the human as our brightness perception is subject the square root of a lumen increase, ie 2^0.5=1.4.

I stick to AA lights since all my other portable electronics are based on them and that gives me endless options to share, cannibalize or go store bought for a deep deep back-up bench. I also prefer rechargeables and run 14500s for power, if I want it.

YMMV
 
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Size, weight, voltage, power delivery with less sag, no leakage problems, are all in favor of lithium.
 
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Fenix E11 = 105 lumens for 1 hour 50 minutes
http://www.fenixlight.com/viewproduct.asp?id=151\

Fenix PD22 = 190 lumens for 2 hours
http://www.fenixlight.com/viewproduct.asp?id=163

Looks to me like there is still a huge gap. What is he talking about?

Well, the issue is: CR123 are decent primaries. You cannot fairly compare them to rechargeable AA or alkaline AA.

Fair comparisons, like Ni-Mh AA vs RCR123, or lithium AA vs CR123, are much closer.
 

Badbeams3

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Top dog AA lights like the Zebra light are putting out 200 lumen. Or run a 14500 in other lights for 123 type output. Guess it depends on what one prefers. Fatter but shorter go 123. Thinner but taller go AA. Some guy`s prefer blonds, some guy`s prefer.....

For me, AA offers more versatility, and that wins.
 

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For me, I can get CR123s at a better price than lithium AAs, so went with lights that took those.

For some, low temperature can be an issue, lithium primaries win over alkaline there.
 

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How I see it:
All 1XCR123 lights I've handled are too stubby.
14500 is better than 16340
Lithium AA is nearly as good as CR123
AA lights have cheap alkalines in a pinch, CR123 lights do not.
Output of 1*AA lights is now comparable to CR123 in good circuits.

AA is the better choice for me.
 

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