Angry at Macintosh

[Chromatophile]

I have something I need to rant about. Up until recently, I had been using the Chimera browser on my OS X. Last week, though, it developed some sort of permanent bug. I tried deleting, redownloading and reinstalling it, but without success. I liked Chimera because it didn't have any problems with certain websites like Internet Explorer did. When it went belly-up, I decided to get the Safari beta. But, I download it, and what's this? It only works for OS 10.2 (aka Jaguar)? The OS X platform is only a few years old and already they appear to be making all the software for Jaguar? I can't even find any info on 10.1 on the Apple website. I don't know about any of you other mac users, but I am seriously pi$$ed. It looks to me like a tactic to get all the 10.1 users to buy the $130 upgrade to Jaguar. Well, I'm not buying it. Period. End of rant.

James

 

[Tomas]

They could just as easily have called OS X 10.2, OS X 11. There's that big a difference. Really.

I've had to buy new operating system software several times since my first Mac back in '86. I've also had to buy several even more expensive upgrades of UNIX since I started using it in '82.

Major upgrades of operating systems represent a tremendous outlay of real life money to develop, and even though I'd prefer to get "lifetime OS updates for free" I can understand a company's need to recover the money they spent developing their software.

If a person wishes to stick with an OS after it has been superceeded and discontinued they will run into many problems in a very short while.

The other option is to forego the neat GUI's and move to one of the various flavors of Linux ...

BTW: There's information on MacFixit about correcting the problem you are having with Chimera IIRC. (I don't care for Safari.)

Just to make myself feel better, I keep backups of everything on my systems that are mirrored nightly. If on a given day something stops working, I can step back a day and recover.

*currently running 10.2.4 and 9.2.2*

-= MICROSOFT FREE ZONE =-

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I had safari and it went permanantly unexpectedly quit.
do a google search and see how many other people have had the same problem. (alot)
today I spent another 8 hours on the phone with microsoft, apple, and macmicrowarehouse, (they all passed me on to the next - 'not our problem' ) - trying to get my outlook express to 'send' in OSX..no luck..I got very exasperated..shut it down, took a shower -- turned it back on -- everything worked perfectly. all the while the osx mail program (I have both oe and 'stampmail' ) sent and received just fine - so could it have been the isp?

 

[Charles Bradshaw]

Tomas,

When was the last time you actually tried Linux????? It has KDE and Gnome as the primary and most popular GUIs, and a bunch of others. Granted, there are distros that are text only, but, most have these GUIs, and have had them for a number of years now.

 

[Saaby]

Yup...try RedHat. It can be a little tricky getting it set up but once you get it going there's no turning back.

Linux is sweet, efficient, and streamlined. Gnome is a little bloated, that is to say, a little slugish on my computer--but I think on anything built within the past 2 years gnome would be not just acceptably fast, but downright snappy.

With the exception of setting up Samba (Just diable encrypted passwords from the get go on your windows computers) I haven't run across anything that I haven't been able to fix within a few hours . Heck, with a faster comptuer most of those issues probably could have been fixed within minutes

 

[Tomas]

Charles, other than casual use (via ISP servers that I was hosting client sites on) I'm not a Linux user of any flavor - I'm a UNIX user and have been since I was at Bell Labs in the early '80's. On UNIX (or Linux) systems I'm a command line type, and haven't tried any of the GUI's.

Otherwise I'm a Mac OS person.

One thing I DON'T do is use anything from Microsoft.

-= MICROSOFT FREE ZONE =-

 

[Saaby]

Well...Finder in OS X is technically just a GUI for Unix so you ARE using a GUI with Unix

 

[Tomas]

*sigh* See my first post: "The other option is to forego the neat GUI's and move to one of the various flavors of Linux ... "

I use Mac OS but when I wish to interface directly with UNIX (even on this OS X 10.2.4 machine) and use pipes or grep stuff, or visit my old friend the VI editor and the nroff/troff formatter or maybe even use AWK, I simply go command-line since while those things are indeed under the hood, they are hidden by the MAC OS (which, of course, is IN MY OPINION the best commercial GUI sitting on a UNIX system at this time).

(And no, I have no crying need to try out the other GUI's on UNIX/Linux - with over 16GB of existing Mac legacy files, I'll stick with something that understands and supports what I have, thankyouverymuch.

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