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I think it only makes sense that the Forum Light has the B1S LEDs because the people who are going to buy them, the people on this forum, are among the most knowledgeable flashlight/LED people in all the land. If anyone won't be happy with anything less than the B1S LEDs it is us.

Plus, the Forum Light should basically be a LE, just in a different color HA finish. Otherwise, personally I think most, almost all of us really would rather have a LE with B1S than the Forum Light with B2S.

I hope you can understand Peter. As much as I would like a Forum Light as soon as possible, I think it is more important to have the B1S LED. It is worth the wait to have the "ultimate."

Bucky
 
I thought I was the only one who felt that way about the CPF LE for me it is also B1S that gets my vote.
 
Peter will you make the LE again when you get more B1S bulbs or is this it for the LE. I only have 2 so of this is it who still has them in stock?
 
I agree with the B1S CPF light. I would gladly wait for the better LED's rather then getting it sooner. I have a feeling I am not the only one
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Well! I had no idea. Well the CPF edition will have to wait until if/when we get more BS1 LEDs. The stock we have now is almost all sold.

Just so you know, it might be a couple of months. We could do them sooner if we use the BS2 LEDs. It's your call though so we will wait.

I will be runnning a test on the blue finish on the next batch of AAAs though. This is just to see how the HA blue combination works. I understand HA makes the colors much darker than the Type II.

Peter Gransee
 
Thanks Peter. The ArcFlashlight products have been so popular here as much because of your great relationship with the forumites, as because they are the best LED lights on the market. We don't want to wait a couple of months - but we will
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I have an idea to throw out for the Forum Light and maybe all Arc AAA lights. What about trying to fashion a small plastic cap tethered to the neck of the light that would allow the relfector to be protected. I believe kogatana has made something like that for his Arc AAA LE. It is about the only thing I can think of that might make the Arc AAA better. Maybe it's not doable, but I think it is worth considering.

Bucky
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bucky:
that would allow the relfector to be protected. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I mean no disrespect - but I'm curious... What is the worry of reflector damage?

I've beaten the crap out of one of my AAA's, with no regard to the safety of the light, nor that of myself, my daughter or my dog. Nothing was harmed, not even the light. If you look very close, you can see very faint scratches in the reflector and in the LED, but there is NO discernible difference in light output. After my fully unscientific test, I will never again worry about the LED or reflector of my Arc AAAs.
 
I guess it's more about wanting everything to remain as close to "brand new" as possible for as long as possible. Now that I look at my Arc AAA, I guess there are really not that many scratches. All things being equal though I guess I would take a cap on mine if I had the choice. Your point is well taken though, it probably is not that big of a deal. It would be interesting to see what everyone else thinks.

Bucky
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bucky:
I guess it's more about wanting everything to remain as close to "brand new" as possible for as long as possible. Now that I look at my Arc AAA, I guess there are really not that many scratches. All things being equal though I guess I would take a cap on mine if I had the choice. Your point is well taken though, it probably is not that big of a deal. It would be interesting to see what everyone else thinks.

Bucky
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FYI-the reflector on the Arc-AAA
IS polishable. I used a mild car polish on my cherished
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LE and it shines like a mirror. -Just be careful not to polish the LED
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Arc-LS Update:

Last night I updated the website with an estimated ship time of April for the Arc-LS. I also stopped the website from taking any further Arc-LS orders and stopped taking order from our distributors.

So what is going on?

First, this only affects the Arc-LS.

Back when we where working on the LS prototypes, I was advised by my business partner and other people to not produce the light at this time. They said it would stunt the growth of the company by soaking up valuable operating capital. They advised that we had sufficient room for expansion with the Arc-AAA alone.

In hindsight, I realize they where right. Being an idealist and flashlight junky, I really wanted to and still do want to produce the Arc-LS, in spite of what people say.

It has cost a lot of time and dollars. More than I thought it would, that's for sure. And it still is sucking up the time. History is replete with stories of guys and their grand projects that either ruin them or transform them (Captain Ahab, Mozart, blah blah, etc).

Truthfully, in a moment of regret, I did consider coming on here and telling you that the Arc-LS was canceled indefinitely, or the price was raised, etc.

But... Heheh. We've past the point of no return. The Arc-LS is making money now and we have considerable funds wrapped up in Arc-LS related assets. So to stop now would end up slowing the company growth further (So there!).

So we are not going to cancel the Arc-LS.

My merry band of sailors finally did ship a small amount of Arc-LS kits earlier this month. We also will be shipping another small batch early next week.

And we will continue with improvements and regular shipments.

Which brings me to the changes to website with the new delivery date, etc. What has happened there is I did the math and realized that at our current rate of production, it will take us about 4-6 months to fulfill our back orders. That will not do! So first, we stopped accepting any more orders. That is a no-brainer. Second, we moved the ship date way out to give us more time. We actually will ship some of the orders before then (like the shipment going out this coming week) but, the bulk of the orders will take longer than that.

The yields and therefore shipment sizes will increase over time. Improving the LS production line is taking a large amount of my time. For every improvement we are making to the flashlight itself, there are three other improvements we are making to the production line. This is mostly to improve quality and yields.

We are making some improvements to the Arc-LS immediately. I have already ordered new retainers to address the 123 issues. I am supposed to have samples to evaluate next week of the new retainer design. Once these have been tested, we will ship them out with the new units and as replacements for the units already shipped.

If you have an Arc-LS, you are entitled to these free fixes. We will ship the new foam retainers and instructions notes to you when they are ready.

Another improvement I hope to evaluate this coming week is a new centering tool I ordered. This will improve the whites and fix the colors so we can begin to ship them as well.

I have also promised to look at the "corona" issue to see if this was normal, or something that could be minimized.

One of my New Years resolutions was to deliver our products on time. I plan on doing just that. Not just by moving the delivery date out, but by also speeding up production.

If you already have an order with us our one of our distributors for and Arc-LS, your order will be filled. If you already have an Arc-LS, your flashlight is supported by all of us at Arc flashlight. If you haven't ordered one but would like to, we will be taking new orders around the April time frame.

Thanks for being so patient. Please contact me with any concerns or questions about the Arc-LS or our other flashlights. Thank you for the many kind reviews of the Arc-LS we have received so far.

Fellow “flash-a-holic”,
Peter Gransee
President, Arc Flashlight
 
Hi, Gransee. I was wondering what your goal for the extended run time aaa is...double the run time?

As far as your considering the B2 bulb for the CPF light...well, I`m just glad your feeling better. Is the plan still to have our member numbers on it? Could you use the cobalt/gold contacts on it?

Have you ever considered making a wide beam white AAA avalable? I have a *rare* (the only one known to exist) wide beam Photon 3 and it throws a nice amount of light for a short distance. If you made them I would have to buy one.

I think over time you will find the decision to make the LS was a great one. Any inside scoop on when the high dome whites will be avalible?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ken B:
Hi, Gransee. I was wondering what your goal for the extended run time aaa is...double the run time? As far as your considering the B2 bulb for the CPF light...well, I`m just glad your feeling better. Is the plan still to have our member numbers on it?


Have you ever considered making a wide beam white AAA avalable? I have a *rare* (the only one known to exist) wide beam Photon 3 and it throws a nice amount of light for a short distance. If you made them I would have to buy one.

I think over time you will find the decision to make the LS was a great one. Any inside scoop on when the high dome whites will be avalible?
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Thanks Ken!

1. The Extended Run Arc-AAA is being tested by the famous Craig Johnson today actually. The customer requirements are to find a good mix of run time to brightness. We already sent the customer the test units they asked for. We are also testing them ourselves for our curiosity. Craig is free to post the run time graphs if he so chooses. There might be some interest from the flashlight community for such a light and we may offer it for sale at a later time. Understandably, we do not have any shipping dates set for this model.

2. CPF model. We will testing the blue color next week to see how it looks in the type III HA. It going to be dark since HA makes the colors darker than Type II. Originally we tossed around the idea of engraving numbers or names on each flashlight. This would entail a lot of extra work. We are willing to do it but just understand it takes awhile to custom engrave that many flashlights. Ideally, with all the projects we have going, I would like to simplify the engraving to say, "CPF Member Edition", etc. But you are the boss.

3. Wide beam Arc-AAA. Actually, we did test this but I am not happy with the beam yet. No product is planned.

4. High dome (lambertian) whites. Last I heard, this was a Q2 release.

Peter
 
Hmm...actually I am ok with just CPF Member Edition...yea...that would be fine with me. Would it be possible to have cobalt/gold contacts like the LS? How much would it raise the price?
 
Arc-AAA Update:

The Arc-AAA is our core product. As you know, we just finished the retail blister packaging for the Arc-AAA line.

Front view:
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And back view:
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We will be formally introducing the Arc-AAA to the retail industry at the upcoming SHOT show in Las Vegas. Steve Gibson will be there answering questions and taking orders for the second quarter.

We have already begun to ramp up production on the Arc-AAA to improve Q2 shipping times.

The blister pack models will be the new 2.5 version with all the latest improvements (including the new HA finish on all models). Customers will start to see the blister packs by Q2. We are very pleased with the level of refinement we are now offering the Arc-AAA at.

Since May of 2001, Arc Flashlight has provided the latest flashlight technology in the popular key chain form factor. Our core product, the Arc-AAA, employs a miniture inverter/regulator driving a high output white LED.

For retail inquires please contact Steve Gibson at [email protected] .

Peter Gransee
 
Peter what will be the selling price on the AAA when they are available in retail outlets?
 
Well now, Peter. Observing your blister pack for the Arc AAA, do you have any inside scoop for a source of cheap Duracell batteries? Actually for the Arc AAA's, it's a moot point. My main Arc LE is still on it's original battery. Still for other devices.....

Please consider adding on the Arc web site, a list of brick and mortar stores that will be carrying the Arc products.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ken B:
Hmm...actually I am ok with just CPF Member Edition...yea...that would be fine with me. Would it be possible to have cobalt/gold contacts like the LS? How much would it raise the price?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The entire PCB in the LS is clad in cobalt/gold alloy. It does add to the price and more than I thought it would. I think there are other things I would like to add to the Arc-AAA that offer more bang for the buck.

So, no gold for the Arc-AAA. We are trying to keep the price down as it is- although lately I have been adding more to it's cost in other ways (packaging, battery, HA finish, etc).

Peter Gransee
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 5BY5:
Peter what will be the selling price on the AAA when they are available in retail outlets?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The retail price is set by the retailers to a large extent. They usally expect a 60-70% discount off of list price and then they mark it up 30-40% to pay for their costs. I think you'll find their price somewhere between list and the price of a good online shop like TTS, Brightguy, etc. Which is quite all right since you pay for the conveinence of being able to take the product home right away.

We sell our product at different discounts based on quantity. To get the 50-70% discount, the retail chain would have to buy tens of thousands of units or more. Companies like TTS buy fewer units and get a smaller discount but have a lower overhead.

The way we pay our bills is to make sure that 70% of list (or whatever) still covers costs. That means the list price is higher than it would be if we only sold direct. That is why I have recommended for some time that to get the lowest price, you should shop around to all of our resellers.

Peter
 
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