brightest led mod for G3

[mesa232323]

I have a G3 and 2 17500 lithium ions. What is the brightest led mod?

 

[Fusion_m8]

The multi-die P7s or MC-Es... I'm sure a google search in the custom mods section will have heaps of relevant results.

 

[bigchelis]

The multi-die P7s or MC-Es... I'm sure a google search in the custom mods section will have heaps of relevant results.

+1

Gene Malkoff products are top of the line. Compared to incan the LED will give you longer runtime and more lumens than the P91 (200 Lumens).

The MC-E from Gene at $125 with all the bells and whistles is a great deal. Imagine you could run it on the 2 cell set-up you mentioned or the 3 cr123 set-up. It will work with 2 or 3 rechargeable set-ups!!!!!!!:twothumbs

Now the question is do you really need those 500 lumens and do you prefer the warm version which is incan like or the normal version which is cooler???

 

[defloyd77]

A P7 in a Nitrolon light? I assume he doesn't mean the G3L with an aluminum head and a P7 would not be a good idea in this case.

 

[SureAddicted]

Compared to incan the LED will give you longer runtime and more lumens than the P91 (200 Lumens).

That's not entirely correct... the M60 @ 230 emitter lumens vs the P91 @ over 300 Lumens OTF. Also it's not recommended the run the P91 on 17500's, as that is what the OP is inquiring about.

As for the brightest LED mod, I'd agree with Fusion_m8, using it with a nitrolon bezel is another story. Although I'm not sure the 17500's will power the P7 or MC-E. For the P7 18650 or 17670 is what's recommends, 600-700 lumens but are basically a straight flood in output (for a Malkoff creation).
With what you have, Malkoff M60 is the way to go.

 

[DM51]

I posted a similar post in the incan section.

The one you posted there was asking about an incan mod. Here you are asking about a LED mod. The 2 threads are therefore different and can continue as long as there is no overlap.

 

[Marduke]

That's not entirely correct... the M60 @ 230 emitter lumens vs the P91 @ over 300 Lumens OTF. Also it's not recommended the run the P91 on 17500's, as that is what the OP is inquiring about.

That's not entirely correct....

The M60 on 17500's is ~240 OTF lumens.

 

[Sgt. LED]

The only realistic limitation on G3 LED brightness is going to be heat.
LED cooking, killing, HEAT.

Pretty much rules out quad dies. More heat is transferred through the body than the head and your nitrolon body can only move so much heat away.

Are you willing to upgrade the bezel to aluminum?

For a really bright choice you can roll your own drop-in using a K2 since it can be driven at 1.4 just fine and it tolerates heat better than Seoul or Cree. Bet you just want to buy one and be done with it though......

Just take the easy route, Malkoff and Al bezel.

 

[Yoda4561]

What sarge said, however if you're willing to put up with a 3 minute runtime followed by a cooldown period you could do a quad die. The standard M60 will be good for around 15 minutes before it needs a cooldown, and the P91 is liable to melt the lens if it's an older lexan one. For a utilitarian light where you can use the full runtime, I advise an M60WL/M60L, 100/140 lumens with over double the runtime of your P90.

 

[wkborda]

Get the R2 Drop-in module from that one website somewhere in China where everyone on these forums gets their stuff. Incredible deals can be had on that site. Anyways, I dropped one into my G3 and I will never again buy a Malkoff. That guys is ripping people off who don't know about their alternatives. The R2 gives a nice bright, clean white spill with a very nice hotspot. No artifacts. Very clean beam, HIGHLY recommended.

 

[Yoda4561]

Well I suppose that depends on your idea of "ripped off" :rolleyes:. The malkoff is a top quality, reliable, US made product with some associated overhead, regardless it's well worth the asking price. You know what you're getting and you know what it can do, that's basically the antithesis of "ripped off". The cheap chinese R2 modules are just that, cheap, and while china can build an excellent product, quality almost inevitably takes a back seat to profit, those modules are 14 dollars for a reason. More to the point, when I think "ripped off" this thread certainly comes to mind :popcorn:.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=217188

 

[wkborda]

Well I suppose that depends on your idea of "ripped off" :rolleyes:. The malkoff is a top quality, reliable, US made product with some associated overhead, regardless it's well worth the asking price. You know what you're getting and you know what it can do, that's basically the antithesis of "ripped off". The cheap chinese R2 modules are just that, cheap, and while china can build an excellent product, quality almost inevitably takes a back seat to profit, those modules are 14 dollars for a reason. More to the point, when I think "ripped off" this thread certainly comes to mind :popcorn:.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=217188

Ironic it seems because my Malkoff M60 module died after 37 days of use in a G3 w/ CR123's =/ As for the "cheap chinese R2 module"? Still going strong after 3 months...Where do you think Malkoff gets his components anyways? I don't know of too many "top quality, reliable, US made" LED factories over there in Alabama. As for that "associated overhead"; you mean charging $50 for a "reliable American product"? HAH! I'll buy a Toyota over a Ford any day! Not trying to knock Malkoff here (necessarily) but for 1/6 of the price I have myself a much higher quality R2 unit...

I don't know if it makes a difference but my R2 did not come from KD, it came from DX.

 

[Marduke]

Ironic it seems because my Malkoff M60 module died after 37 days of use in a G3 w/ CR123's =/ As for the "cheap chinese R2 module"? Still going strong after 3 months...Where do you think Malkoff gets his components anyways? I don't know of too many "top quality, reliable, US made" LED factories over there in Alabama. As for that "associated overhead"; you mean charging $50 for a "reliable American product"? HAH! I'll buy a Toyota over a Ford any day! Not trying to knock Malkoff here (necessarily) but for 1/6 of the price I have myself a much higher quality R2 unit...

I don't know if it makes a difference but my R2 did not come from KD, it came from DX.

1) The M60 is much higher output than the "R2" module, and is NOT designed for use in the G3. The module did not fail, you damaged it due to your own misuse (there is a difference). The M60L is better suited for use in the G3.

2) There is a Cree factory in North Carolina, and all the EZ1000 dice are still manufactured there….

3) No matter where you bought it, it’s still the same low quality module.

 

[rmteo]

Being "ripped off" - like beauty - is in the eyes of the beholder (at least, that is the way I see it). If you are happy with a product/service (and the price you paid for it), great. If not, move on and find one that works for you at a price you are comfortable with - and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!!!!! :rolleyes:

 

[Sgt. LED]

Yeah ripped off.................:rolleyes:

The aged wisdom of a 10 post professional at work yet again. Read more and post less for now, learn.

I also have recently acquired my first Malkoff drop in courtesy of fellow member Owen and I must say I am very impressed and use it nightly. While I agree the man makes some very nice products my warning to keep this thread on track is not based on my personal opinions of his work but rather to stop un-necessary trashing of this thread.

I as well as others like his designs and also know of his reputation and as such will continue to purchase and enjoy his products. I would really hate to see any member here have a reputation ruined over something that could be a misunderstanding, computer error, or simply a bad experience without first having the chance to correct any issues first. This is a courtesy that should be given to any maker, or member, here just the same.

We have far too many threads that steer off track as it is and most of the time issues can be resolved with a little communication and patience. So again regardless of any personal feelings lets try to keep this thread on topic and take up any other issues in the proper place.

 

[Marduke]

Yeah ripped off.................:rolleyes:

The aged wisdom of a 10 post professional at work yet again. Read more and post less for now, learn.

7 of which are shill posts for LL, 2 for DX.


Wise indeed...... :crackup:

 

[wkborda]

7 of which are shill posts for LL, 2 for DX.


Wise indeed...... :crackup:

Lack of posts is not equal to lack of knowledge. At this point I have only posted about things which I feel strongly towards (aka your "shill" posts). For further information, it was in fact the M60L module. I'm no novice at torches, which apparently you judge by my number of posts. You could get an idiot on here blabbing about torches all day long because he has no life and say "Wow he is such a great contributor, lets call him a *Flashaholic*". I just chose to share my experience and say 1) The R2 module from DX is flawless, and 2) The Malkoff M60L failed after what I consider to be a very unacceptable amount of time; and that's my personal experience. I am sure many others have had great experiences with their MM's, but all I'm saying is that for $9.59 shipped, the R2 has turned out to be a better quality, more-for-your-money drop-in module.

I like reading CPF articles because the info is generally unbiased, but if only the *Flashaholics* were regarded as valid contributors, that would skew the information a bit don't ya think?

 

[wkborda]

Yeah ripped off.................:rolleyes:

The aged wisdom of a 10 post professional at work yet again. Read more and post less for now, learn.

Hahah so you're saying that once I have read every thread of CPF, and I begin posting, lets say, with 10 posts, I will somehow be a sarcastic "10 post professional"? Hmmmm seems like a glass ceiling that apparently no one can ever pass except the people already past it. How do you know how much I've read?

 

[Marduke]

Lack of posts is not equal to lack of knowledge. At this point I have only posted about things which I feel strongly towards (aka your "shill" posts). For further information, it was in fact the M60L module. I'm no novice at torches, which apparently you judge by my number of posts. You could get an idiot on here blabbing about torches all day long because he has no life and say "Wow he is such a great contributor, lets call him a *Flashaholic*". I just chose to share my experience and say 1) The R2 module from DX is flawless, and 2) The Malkoff M60L failed after what I consider to be a very unacceptable amount of time; and that's my personal experience. I am sure many others have had great experiences with their MM's, but all I'm saying is that for $9.59 shipped, the R2 has turned out to be a better quality, more-for-your-money drop-in module.

I like reading CPF articles because the info is generally unbiased, but if only the *Flashaholics* were regarded as valid contributors, that would skew the information a bit don't ya think?

Guess FNF "bored" you, so you came over here to stir stuff up eh?? :whistle:

You were banned for a reason. Go back to where you were banished....

Edit:
Next you're going to tell us you were running 2x17500's and not 3xRCR123's. Story keeps evolving....

 

[bigchelis]

I say M60 and 2 17500, but make sure to put the AR coated lens in the 9P. Lighthound has them for $7 bucks (UCL G2 Surefire).

Malkoff M60_______________231-220________________2 primaries___________Surefire 6P host_______________,
Malkoff M60_______________235__turn-on____________2 AW ICR123________Surefire C2 Centurion host_______,
Malkoff M60_______________218__warm _____________2 AW ICR 123_______Surefire C2 Centurian host________,
Malkoff M60_______________276_turn on____________2X17500 LI___________NO BEZEL Solarforce L2 +1 ext.__,
Malkoff M60_______________245___warm___________2X17500 LI___________NO BEZEL Solarforce L2 +1 ext.__,

With the new MD2 hosts from Malkoff the M60 on 2 rechargeable cells will give up to 276 actual lumens out the front. :whistle::whistle::whistle:
I have purchased the 3.5v to 18v Cree R2 from DX and it is great, but the Malkoff has more side spill and pretty beam. I use the R2 with 4 18650 battery set-up and I like the throw on it. The M60 stays in a 6P with 2 cr123 protected cells. The pictures were taken with a digital camera with the flash off, thus it only gives an indication of what it might look like in person. In person I will say they both appear brighter with the M60 looking considerably brighter than the Cree R2, but in the pictures they look about the same.


Deal Extreme R2 on left and Malkoff M60 on right.

Now for the Beam Shots.
Deal Extreme R2 Left and Makoff M60 on the Right.