CityCat AA & 18650 Comparison Review

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horizonseeker wrote PM to me asking if I accepted flashlight review requests -
does the Pope sh1t in the woods?

He intends to sell CityCat LED flashlights in single AA and 18650 on CPFM.

So he very kindly sent me one of each to look at -

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the finish is type 2 anodizing - we may be used to HA-3 - but one should bear in mind the pricing and that the now legendary SureFire 6P and 9P were and still are Type 2. 3 different colors will be available red, blue and black - I was very pleasantly surprised by the black of the 18650 version in the attractive blue accenting. Both are reverse clicky switches

Heads -
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all the CityCat LEDs are Cree XR-E Q5 - WC bin. The CityCats have GID (glow in dark) O-rings in the front.

One design feature I thought was pretty good instead of three parts one usually sees in clicky lights - these both unscrew near the middle - so are only two parts -
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with this design there is very little chance of batteries getting stuck.

Also instead of the usual spring at the negative tail-end - these CityCats have a sprung piston.
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the positive terminal on the 18650 version actually looks like solid metal - whereas the AA version has the more regular plated area on a PCB.

They are also supplied with very generous spares -
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three different colored (1 GID) spare switch boots, an actual spare clicky switch, two O-rings and a wrist-strap.

These being early samples I did not get any instructions - but these are the simplest UI just Hi>Med>Lo with last level memory (if on for more than about 2secs). My sample of the 18650 actually is Lo>Med>Hi (which I prefer)

Compared to each other -
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It's fairly obvious the 18650 version is brighter (no real surprise) - but what is surprising is how well the single AA version performs - as we will see.

CityCat AA -

vs. Fenix L1D-Q5 both on Max and NiMH
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the CityCat AA looks brighter

vs. Fenix LD10 both on Max and NiMH
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close but I think the CityCat AA still may just have the edge - but both the Fenix have warmer tints and smoother/better beams - the XR-E Q5 still suffer from their notorious dark halo - but Fenix seem to do a good job of minimizing it.

CityCat 18650 -

vs. Fenix PD20 (on single CR123A) both on Max
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close but the CityCat may just have it. CityCat's beam betrays the less sophisticated reflector design in revealing the Cree XR-E dark halo more - but it probably doesn't make much difference in real usage - only on white walled comparisons.

vs. Fenix LD10 on Li-Ion 14500 both on max
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again close but CityCat may still have it.

vs. Fenix P3D-RB100 Rebel on 2x CR123A both on Max
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before the 4Sevens Quarks the Fenix RB100 versions had the best smooth beams and still have some of the best tints I have seen on a "cool white" LED. Again close the CityCat may seem brighter but the Fenix spreads its beam wider.

Overall these CityCats seem to perform well - their beams may be less smooth - but in any real practical use this probably does not mean much - we are lucky to be spoiled by close to perfect beams from the 4Sevens Quark lights - but that shouldn't stop us enjoying other lights too.....
 
I have a group buy for this light that will posted tonight. Thank you Vincent for a great write-up!

right now it's off to the dentist's office, oh the pain!
 
[If anything in this post is considered improper by UnknownVT or horizonseeker, I'd be happy to remove this post.]

First, thank you UnknownVT for your review! And thank you, horizonseeker, for making these flashlights available to the members.

Second ...

(1) CityCat's website lists two different 3-mode 1xAA flashlights. Are the lumens ratings for the low, med, high modes and the physical measurements of the flashlight mentioned in this thread the same as those for either of the AA flashlights on the website ?

(2) csshih posted (link) an outdoor beamshot of an 1xAA CityCat flashlight. Is csshih's 1xAA flashlight used for the beamshot one of the three mode flashlights listed on the website ? Or, if the 3-mode configuration that you're selling is different from the lights listed on the website, is csshih's flashlight the one that you're selling ?
 
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MojaveMoon07:

thank you for your interest

1) the Citycat light in the review is the non-14500 version group A; the actual lumen ratings are being tested by bigchelis, dimensionwise it is identical to the ones you see (the 2 different versions listed are only differentiated by the circuit inside)

2) Csshih's post as you linked is from an earlier batch last year, I was not involved at the time. I have sent him an AA and 18650 and he is working on a review based on the lights I am selling now.
 
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what horizonseeker posted is correct!

That 1xAA beamshot was actually from a sample kuku427 provided me with -- I had the review pretty much written up, but when he decided he wasn't going to carry because of some issues he had with the lights (contact related), i decided not to publish a review of an unobtainable light. the most recent batches seem to have improved on the issues, and I have have had no problems with the current ones.
they are currently with BigChelis for lumen testing :naughty:

oh -- and these have a simplified circuit, 3 mode only as opposed to an odd 2x3 mode circuit IIRC.
 
Thanks for the review, love the lights so went to look for Citycat Website to order direct as I am in the UK, thinking this could be my next lights

http://www.citycat.net.cn/server.asp

Guys you want to check the warranty offered!!!!!!

15 DAYS FREE REPLACEMENT
3 MONTHS FREE REPAIR
LIMITED LIFE TIME WARRANTY, WILL CHARGE FOR PARTS AFTER 3 MONTHS AND REPAIR FEE ASSESSED ACCORDING TO COST OF PARTS

NOW, WARRANTY LIKE THIS DOES NOT GIVE ME MUCH CONFIDENCE IN THE PRODUCT ! Real shame
Am I right??
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What does you guys think of this warranty!!!

Skyraider59
Zebra H60, H50; Nitecore D10, EZ-AA; Fenix L2D; Jetbeam CL2 V2; Jetbeam III ST PRO R2 BVC; Ultrafire C3Q5, A10; Tank007 EO7, E06, M20mag; Solarforce L2GS R2; Dereelight CL1H V3.0 Q5 3SD
 
compared to whom would this warranty be "real shame"? At its price level, this is fairly reasonable.

Consider:
1) Nitecore offers 14 days free replacement
2) Fenix offers 15 days free replacement.

Both brands above do offer a longer period of free repair (18 and 24 months respectively), but you are paying much more for a comparable light so that extra length of time is already figured into the initial cost.
 
Thanks Horizonseeker, for your feedback on my comments on the warranty.

I take it all on board and I think you are totally right the warranty is reflected in the buying price of the unit.

But on the other hand it would be reassuring to see that a new manufacturer as a lot of faith in its lights by giving a basic warranty, (parts and labour for 12 months)

Let face it, if a flashlight is reliable, a long warranty will not cost anything to any manufacturer!
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Regarding my "Real Shame", my wording may have NOT reflected my thoughts entirely!

What I meant was: It is a real shame for me, as I will not be buying this light because I am not keen on the warranty!
This is my personal view and may be, this is my lost, as this look a very nice light for a very attractive price.

Once the quality has been proven,or the free repair period extended, I will change my mind and get one, unless Citycat want to convert me right now!:twothumbs

Thanks again for the review.

Skyraider59
Jetbeam III ST PRO R2 BVC review:
Zebra H60, H50; Nitecore D10, EZ-AA; Fenix L2D; Jetbeam CL2 V2; Jetbeam III ST PRO R2 BVC; Ultrafire C3Q5, A10; Tank007 EO7, E06, M20mag; Solarforce L2GS R2; Dereelight CL1H V3.0 Q5 3SD



 
Let face it, if a flashlight is reliable, a long warranty will not cost anything to any manufacturer!


I take issue with this statement as it is not a correct statement of business overhead and projected cost. To discuss this in detail, however, would derail the review thread and take too much space, if you'd like, you are welcome to PM me further.

David.
 
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I am willing to buy the 18650 blue-black model, but I can't find anywhere to buy it (not even on citycat website) !
Does anyone has a good address ?
 
This thread is two years old, perhaps there no longer in production :shrug:

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