Custom LED Taillights... 5mm or 10mm???

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I'm fixing to start my own custom taillights for my car. I'm torn between usings 5mm and 10mm LEDs. typically I use 5mm for all my other projects but for taillights, I can get 10mm LEDs with 2x the brightness for the same price and since it's not going to be 100s of them per side, i wonder if 10mm would be the way to go?

Any input is appreciated!!
 
Hmmm. If this is intended to be street legal whatever meets MVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) and D.O.T. requiresments plus any applicable State requirements would be recommended. You may need to research the requirements if you are not familiar with them and I do doubt that home made lights can be certififed, but then I've never considered doing this myself.
 
I go with the other poster....tail lights are safety equipment and are not to be played with. I would see if you can get a good aftermarket LED tail light.

If you "must" make your own, keep in mind the reflector, etc. is not designed for LEDS so performace could be suspect.

I personally would not go 5 or 10mm. The 10mm typically have the same size die as 5mm, just a bigger lens and usually are narrower angle. You need the right angle, not a narrow angle.

What many automotive suppliers use are the 4 leg LEDS (Lumileds Superflux, etc. that people call spider LEDS). They are 50mA or more and put out a lot of light over a wider pattern. To be safe, I would recommend a lot of light and a bit wide to ensure you are getting enough light where it needs to be.

Semiman
 
Does your car use the brake lights as the blinker/signal lights? If so, you will have to switch the flasher mechanism with a solid state flasher designed for LEDs. Otherwise your lights won't flash. If your car has a "burned out lamp" indicator, that won't work either & might indicate you have a light out.
 
Here in NY - you have to pass a safety inspection, home made taillights will not pass, they are not DOT approved. second to that - The police can ticket a car for non-standard lights.

And - Brighter is not always better, They could temporarily blind a driver following behind the car at night..
 
I installed three lamp housings under my tailgate that use a double row of red SMDs that are superior in brightness to any striplight on the market plus they are sequential turn signals.
My taillamps I upconveted to surface chip LED 3157s and 3156s. Slightly brighter than OEM.
the trick is to modify it as to appear as OE, like using cadillac lamp housings was the fad a few years ago, nowadays almost any car is using LEDs so I could care less about the laws and as long as the colors and heights are proper thats all I care for, I'd rather live the edge than die in the dark.
 
As others have said, homemade (or home-modified) exterior lights are a dodgy game. It's possible to make them work, but it's a lot more "involved" than most people realize.

LED signalling lamps (brake, tail, turn...) are appearing on cars, and are
now almost universally used on trucks and buses, but it really is not a "retrofit" item in the sense of dropping in an "LED bulb" or putting some circuit boards with an array of emitters behind the lens and calling it good. Bulb-type brake, tail, parking, and signal lamps on your car rely on a point source of light (glowing filament) that radiates in a Lambertian pattern (more or less equally in all directions -- a sphere of light). The reflector and/or lens optics are designed to collect and distribute that light. LEDs generally give a very different kind of light distribution. Most of them don't produce light in an even sphere. Instead, they project a very narrow beam of light in one direction.

For any automotive lighting function, not only is it crucial that the intensity be within the proper limits through the entire relevant range of vertical and horizontal angles so as to provide a recognizeable and penetrating signal to observers at any angle to your vehicle (not just straight in front of or behind the signal), and not only must the intensity ratio between bright and dim modes be correct at all angles (for combination brake/tail or park/turn lamps), but the effective projected luminous lens area must not be reduced. EPLLA refers to the amount of lens area significantly lit up when the lighting device is active.

Look closely at the optics of one of the newer vehicles that has LED brake/tail lamps. You'll see optics totally different in configuration compared to those found in bulb-type devices. These special optics are necessary to coordinate the light from a large number of LEDs (relative to the overall size of the device) to get everything right in terms of brightness in both dim and bright mode, uniformity of brightness throughout the visibility angles required by law, ratio of intensity between "bright" and "dim" mode, EPLLA, etc. These kinds of optics are generally not something that can easily be made at home.

Then there's the issue of thermal management. Remember, LED output is highly dependent on emitter temperature. The range of output is huge, and you have to have some pretty sophisticated variable-resistive and/or PWM control circuitry to make sure the lights perform correctly/safely whether the emitters are really cold, really hot, or anywhere in between.

That said, if you are determined to have LED lamps, you may want to get hold of some Osram Joule emitters. These are Lambertian LEDs intended to be used in more traditional optical packages (central emitter w/bowl reflector with or without lens optics). These are used in the '06+ Mercury Mountaineer, the new '08 Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable, and the new '08 Chevrolet Malibu LTZ. Do a web search on "Osram Joule" and you'll find it. They are not meant or designed as direct replacements for bulbs, but they might be a starting place.

For another data point: I can think of exactly one individual who retrofits LEDs into existing signalling devices and turns out a consistently good and durable result that meets photometric requirements. Take a look at his prices. They're high not because he's profiteering, but because the work he does takes a great deal of time and uses costly materials and parts.
 
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